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and now here's Jeanne Steinberg you are

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of course listening to the power cast

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I'm Jean Steinberg my co-host this week

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is Christopher O'Brien you know one of

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the things we don't talk about as much

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as we should on the show is how the

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media treats the subject of UFOs and

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paranormal research now in case you're

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just listening to the show we've talked

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about it in the past not as much and I

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have to say that during the time that I

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was working for the traditional

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broadcast media back in the 1970s that

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makes me older than dirt I guess I

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covered UFO stories in the area in which

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I worked which was southeast

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Pennsylvania and my bosses never said

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anything bad about it it was okay

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because it was also in the mainstream

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printed press so they didn't care as

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long as I covered my normal news beat

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they didn't worry if I stuck in a UFO

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story so long as there was duplicate

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coverage from other members of the media

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I even had a UFO magazine at the time

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but I don't think they understood that

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concept so they let me do my thing and

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even nowadays I do a technology radio

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show the tech night out live I do the

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power cast and people don't really

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criticize me for it

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what about you you came out in this

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field with a background as a musician of

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course you were therefore an entertainer

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so how did the adaptation process go

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well you know gene I've been on I don't

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know how many television segments film

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documentaries hundreds and hundreds of

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radio programs like like many people in

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the field I'm a leery of the media but

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much to my surprise all through the 90s

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into you know the new millennium year I

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never had any problems with with

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the media in terms of of them pulling

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fast ones misstating you know what I was

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actually presenting until I did the show

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UFO Hunters back in 2007 and that was

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the first time that I really became

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upset because of the media's you know

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treatment of my own personal appearance

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and in my work I was asked to help out

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on a segment that addressed window areas

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or portal areas around the country and

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we were doing the show here in Sedona

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and I bent over backwards to help feel

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produce the show I got together the

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witnesses and and did a lot of unpaid

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work in a sense for them to help them

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make the best segment possible and

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during the interview that they conduct

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with me which was over two hours I

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explained him laborious ly that my

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research into the San Luis Valley was

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what I was basing all the information I

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was relating to them I said this is all

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about the San Luis Valley and so what

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they did on the in the editing Bay much

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to my horror was they they cut my

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interview to make it sound like

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everything I was saying was about Sedona

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and you know one of the main hosts on

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the show even blurted out one of my

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standard lines I've been using for years

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the San Luis Valley has the highest

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incidence of UFO sightings in North

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America he just substituted the word

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Sedona for that I really was upset about

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that because I felt that this was these

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guys were being dishonest basically they

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do that where does it matter if the

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sightings occur in San Luis Valley or in

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Sedona other than being hundreds of more

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hosts distant from each other right well

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I think that there is this thing going

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on to try to get Sedona to be the real

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focus in hotspot area I think for the

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paranormal and for the new-age for that

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matter and metaphysical subjects and I

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sexy enough or there's stuff going on

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there that the powers that be don't want

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people to know about I think one of the

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reasons why the San Luis Valley is kind

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of getting dissed in this particular

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instance is I have a sneaking suspicion

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that there is something

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going on there that has to do with black

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budget money potential secret government

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projects and I think it's there's a

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possibility I'm not saying this is this

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is for certain I just have a hunch here

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that there's there's a bit of an effort

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to keep the lid on the San Luis Valley

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to some extent to keep attention focused

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elsewhere that raises the bigger

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question okay so you feel that the

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people that UFO hunters may have been

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unfairly influenced by some of the

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powers-that-be to change

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San Luis Valley to Sedona well did they

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were shooting in Sedona so I know they

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they were really invested in the

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location because it is sexy there's

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great shots here obviously with the Red

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Rocks I don't I really can't say for

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certain obviously whether they were

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leaned on to do what they did however

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this isn't the only indication I've had

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over the years that there seems to be a

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kind of a lid that's being put on the

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San Luis Valley for instance the knids

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black triangle map the Larry hatch black

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triangle map and the MUFON black

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triangle map had been combined together

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into one big map that shows all the

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black triangle sightings around North

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America I personally gave two out of

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those three twelve really good reports

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including a half a dozen reports of

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black triangles reported by law

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enforcement and wouldn't you know it

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you'll look on the map there and there's

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not one single black triangle sighting

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between Denver and like Albuquerque so

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maybe that's an oversight on their part

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shoddy research definitely and you know

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my database is there just recently we

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had this fake or fake show come to the

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San Luis Valley and the investigate

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Academy relation case and they they

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totally debunk the whole thing you know

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ridiculously just a ridiculous manner so

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you know I'm not saying that that that

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my hunch is correct I'm just saying that

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I have this hunch so I've been lucky

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over the years though the media I think

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has treated my work with respect I've

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never had up until the UFO hunter

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segment I've never had reason to to be

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upset with the media for my own personal

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treatment although

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boy I have got complaints about how they

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handle the paranormal realm in general

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that's for sure

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well certainly that show was no longer

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around the air UFO Hunters so we don't

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know what the motivations were I got the

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impression in communicating privately

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with bill burns one of the hosts that he

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claims he wasn't responsible for what

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happened I'm not going to attach blame

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one way or the other it's one of those

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unfortunate things where some really

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interesting data got screwed up and a

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chip in and part of the problem also is

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the media when it makes a mistake

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deliberate or otherwise they don't

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apologize that's very unfortunate no

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they don't all right we have a guest

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yeah now I know from the previous

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appearance in the para cast he was a

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rather crusty character in fact and

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listeners might remember at one point he

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almost threatened to terminate the

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conversation no he did threatened to

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terminate the conversation and well you

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know ray I've known ray for many years I

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consider him one of the most important

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people in the field of ufology this is

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based on my own personal opinion but I

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met a lot of the the movers and shakers

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in this field and in terms of visual

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acuity and knowledge and a 50 plus year

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history in the field I don't think

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anybody can touch raised an furred and

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there's elements about Ray's past that

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have come up on the pair cast forms and

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we're gonna ask ray about some of these

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things he is considered to be a psychic

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by many people who have known him over

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the years and he has done actual

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channelings and stuff many years ago and

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he is for instance he's being called a

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psychic paleontologist he's found more

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dinosaur tracks than any other person

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has probably the largest collection of

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dinosaur tracks in the world and he also

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discovered a cast of the only fully

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articulated dinosaur skeleton ever

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discovered on the East Coast now all

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this all these discoveries he's made

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with his observational acuity inside the

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beltway so we're talking just right

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around the Washington DC area he walks

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the creeks and finds his incredible

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tracks some of which have never been

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discovered before so he there is

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something about Ray

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that is above normal here and I want to

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start our show with ray in you know

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addressing this because a lot of people

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have misconceptions about the man and

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he's you know they just put his notice

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or in the Smithsonian Institute as a

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permanent display so we're not dealing

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with a sloucher he's a big-league

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amateur scientist and I'm really looking

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forward to this show we're gonna be

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talking about the white sands July 1978

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event that he and his team covered and

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this is gonna be a fascinating show

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today gene also we'll ask him briefly

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about the saqqara New Mexico case kind

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of a follow up in light of the recent

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death of the witness Lonnie Zamora and

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maybe some of the criticisms have been

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about the authenticity of the Saqqara

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incident so coming up on the power cast

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this week race stanford will return and

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we don't know whether or not he's gonna

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because we're not going to hold back the

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questions the co-host this week is Chris

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O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg you're in the

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our guest returning to the power cast

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this week is UFO paranormal researcher

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race stanford and we're gonna cover a

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whole range of questions about his

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of the questions you've asked ladies and

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gentlemen in the power cast forums at

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Steinberg you're in the power cast rate

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maybe you could start with a couple of

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comments about the saqqara new mexico

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case recently Lonnie Zamora dined

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there's some remembrances having known

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him at the time you were investigating

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the case

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well Lonnie in my experience was and

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Ivan viewed a lot of people that have

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seen and reported seeing UFOs and even

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photographing them but Lonnie would rank

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at the absolute top of the quality as

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far as integrity and unwillingness to

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embellish the story just be straight

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facts I guess that party came with his

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background as a police officer and it

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was very sad to learn of his passing he

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had even heard about the ridiculous

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claims of this thing having been a

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student prank before he passed on now

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maybe we can just tell that very quickly

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there was a report by a blogger named

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brag alia I believe and he had this

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quote from one of the professors of this

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local college suggesting they all knew

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it was a prank so what's the story about

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that this was nothing new to my

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knowledge back when I was there first

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and investigating the case in April of

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1964 Darko gay was there at what is 7ko

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New Mexico Tech and he he was asked by a

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news person there about this case and he

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he said well you know it has to be a

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student practice student hugs because

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those kind of thing can come that far

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and so it has to be a student prank and

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he was asked if if

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could put his finger on any student that

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didn't he said no but it just has to be

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of course he was in our skeptic and that

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was his kind of logic and I think that

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so basically this is he must be answered

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it has to be something immoral therefore

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it must be a prank yes and I think that

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he wasn't being completely forthcoming

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when he put a note in a letter to the

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league dr. Linus Pauling saying it was a

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student prank it's a shame that when

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when a scientists like dr. Colgate will

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step out of the bounds of science and

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state something that his personal wish

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as being fact now this particular person

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who wrote this article Anthony breguet

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is he just a skeptic or was he looking

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for a headline or what no I have to

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mention my on the power cast and he

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declined to appear yes

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yes he was invited to debate me on this

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and he refused to appear you know I had

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the better side in the first place he

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was saying oh these these witnesses just

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gonna be a few day we're gonna get some

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of these people that involve miss come

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up well of course they never did because

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no one ever did it I mean there's no way

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that what happened on April 24 64 in

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broad daylight and from this police

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officers eyes including part of it

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within within 50 feet there's no way

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that there was a student prank so even

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back at that time even the media man

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that he had dr. Colgate had told this to

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about it being a student prank realized

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that you know this was just wishful

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thinking on I'm dr. Cole gate park yeah

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and one thing that I really want to

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point out here in case we forget is when

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regalia came out with his part to to his

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article I think it was the following day

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the Lonnie Zamora died and it's kind of

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hard not to you know we could go there

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and draw any sort of conclusions but

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Lonnie from was a stand-up guy from all

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of my knowledge about the case and of

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course talking to Ray about it and yeah

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I just hope he just didn't I have a

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broken heart for having his you know his

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integrity and everything else called

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into question by this johnny-come-lately

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who's basically a pot stirrer he just

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likes to get in there and pick a subject

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and stir the pot up and create

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diversity money was not affected by it

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Lonnie he had from the word go and when

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he had this experience you know high

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school kids and college kids would drive

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by and they were seeing the UFOs lady in

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this kind of stuff and Lonnie took it in

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good spirits now yes it made him feel

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badly but he really didn't let this kind

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of things hurt him and that's good one

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thing here I wanted to just mention here

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you mentioned this fellow

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Anthony Berg alia has he done this kind

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of ambush elsewhere I haven't followed

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him and I saw and not an ambush I saw

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him claiming that night and all was

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invented because of bendable turned back

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to its original shape metal in the

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alleged crash at Roswell and frankly it

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was in no way in my opinion scientific

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reporting it was it was gift gifts after

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supposition and it was certainly not not

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good reporting certainly not good

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science in tracing the origin and I know

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so in my opinion the things I saw I

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guess put listening to him Mathilde

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Socorro thing came up because I didn't

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feel that his investigations were

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thorough or objective or insightful okay

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well since he doesn't want to come here

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to defend himself maybe we should just

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begin to drop the subject yeah I move on

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well just let him let him do his thing

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he's he seems like a fairly a fairly

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good researcher but and he's able to dig

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around and find find things but I think

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his his conclusions I think he's got to

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be a little bit more careful with how he

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he poses his conclusions and I think Ray

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brought up a real good point in that

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regard so ray just briefly before we go

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on to some other subjects what can we

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take away from the Socorro New Mexico

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incident this is something that happened

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what forty some odd years ago that's

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right there's there's some good evidence

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we can take away for one thing although

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I've offered it to people nobody has

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used it as yet I have a professional

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quality of video that I had made out in

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front of our office headquarters in

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Austin Texas of our project starlight

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international and Hynek is sitting there

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and he

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firms that the film that officer ted

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jardin had taken right after the object

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had taken off just just while it was

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almost still visible in the sky Garin

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got there right away because it was a

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state police officer and was listening

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on the state policeman and he got

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pictures and was asked to give them to

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the air force for processing and he

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couldn't get in the back and finally he

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had Lonni ask dr. Hynek when he was in

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town in August what had happened and

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Hynek told him who the airforce wouldn't

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wouldn't give them back to him because

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they were fogged as though by some kind

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of radiation and so Zamora relate this

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information to me and I got Hynek down

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there and put him on camera and asked

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him point-blank and he confirmed it he

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said that that is what the Air Force

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told him was the reason that they didn't

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give him his film back that's

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interesting evidence in itself when you

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have the guy that was the chief

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scientific consultant on UFOs with

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Project Blue Book telling that they well

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I didn't tell the public the film was

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irradiated they told some more of Hynek

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and ultimately I learned it now there's

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other things that that we can take from

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this case one thing is there is a rock

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that was four or five inches below where

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the main landing exhaust was pointing

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downward when it landed and took off

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that I have that and I have nearly a

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hundred pounds of control samples that

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don't have this with the same type of

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volcanic rock this rock has crystals of

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quartz in it but these crystals appear

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to have turned to glass they're no

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longer birefringence as crystals are I

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hate to interrupt ray but we're going to

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have to pick that up in the next section

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of the prior cast we do welcome your

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comments post them at forum dot the

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power cast com forum dot the power cast

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com we have ray Stanford our co-host is

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Chris O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg you're

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629
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the power cast and you were talking

630
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about this rock ray turning the crystal

631
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I know yeah it had crystals in it it was

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a type of volcanic rock that that cools

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slowly enough for crystals to farm in it

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no which it's not glass it's actually

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has recrystallized but certain quartz

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crystals to reach a certain size that

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you can easily see them with the naked

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eye and it appears upon the surface of

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this that where these this quartz is

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quite strong tough stuff and there's

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been some erosion around it and you can

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see it looks like there were when this

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thing was heated up the quartz crystals

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that were already there

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if the surface have lost their quartz

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safe you can see their shape as it goes

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into the matrix of the six-sided quartz

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figure but you see it's a glob you'll

649
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like it was melted and although the main

650
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main mass was not melted the crystals

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were which strongly suggests a resonance

652
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phenomenon as you might have in a watch

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for example of quartz crystal resonating

654
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at a certain frequency to keep that time

655
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it looks like there was a resonance

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phenomenon possibly by the course in the

657
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quartz crystals which in itself would be

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extremely important and potentially

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diagnostic because there are very few

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things you could project them to a

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quartz crystal and and get the into this

662
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volcanic material and get the quartz

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crystals to resonating so fast that they

664
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would heat up and melt it Criers about I

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say 1,400 degrees centigrade

666
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that kind of chords and so it's quite a

667
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respectable task to say the least so it

668
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looks like we have some pretty good

669
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evidence of an unusual mode of

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propulsion in the pink off and landing

671
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:34,760
it's also called as Sakura which didn't

672
00:29:39,100 --> 00:29:37,370
bounce like a rocket exhaust it Lani had

673
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seen Rockets launch tested at White

674
00:29:43,570 --> 00:29:41,570
Sands the exhausts actually surprised

675
00:29:45,789 --> 00:29:43,580
him by knifing in it didn't didn't

676
00:29:47,890 --> 00:29:45,799
bounce off it actually synced a knife

677
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into the saw which would suggest maybe

678
00:29:53,830 --> 00:29:50,059
subatomic particles at relativistic

679
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velocities eating local atmosphere in

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such way that it turns kind of a bluish

681
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color and around the edge it was kind of

682
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an arm she just just what I would expect

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under such a circumstance but we're

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gonna segue which is something we do on

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radio shows we're gonna segue to another

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incident that we wanted to talk about

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this week and I'm gonna turn the mic

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over to Chris to follow up on something

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that happened in 1978 at White Sands

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thanks and thanks Gina you know having

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worked with Rey for a number of years

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and getting countless examples of his

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investigative work down in manuscript

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form actually in a conversational

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manuscript form one of the most

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compelling cases that Rey told me about

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had to do with a July of 1978

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investigative trip out to the white

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sands military base out there and on to

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the edge of the base and why don't you

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start in with a little setup piece array

702
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about how you found out that you should

703
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be going out there with your team I

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think this is a very very intriguing

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story and it has tons of hard scientific

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data that you're able to obtain which

707
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we'll get into but once you start us out

708
00:30:59,020 --> 00:30:57,380
and tell us how you found out about

709
00:31:01,899 --> 00:30:59,030
something going on at White Sands

710
00:31:05,020 --> 00:31:01,909
well back in in January I had been on

711
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the Phil Donahue show this is a 1978

712
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January right that's right

713
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okay and at the time when I first my

714
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office got this information I had been

715
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out in Phoenix investigating case it

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were some two people that film the same

717
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:19,970
kind of avocado man airliner in 1212 77

718
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the year before but when I got back to

719
00:31:26,649 --> 00:31:25,039
Austin my secretary told me that there

720
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was a call from a very nice and

721
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interesting lady that she thought all to

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call the return the lady's call right

723
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away which I did a very nice person it

724
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turns out that she

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been watching the Donahue show she

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didn't even realize that her project

727
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existed headquarter right there in

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Austin and was thrilled so she called

729
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her brother who was a physical scientist

730
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working at the White Sands proving

731
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:53,270
grounds at that time she told him about

732
00:31:57,610 --> 00:31:55,250
the equipment that we showed pictures of

733
00:31:59,560 --> 00:31:57,620
and discussed on the Donahue show which

734
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receive more calls and the show ever

735
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received in its history understood later

736
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from the producer and he she told him

737
00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:06,679
the these details and he said my gosh he

738
00:32:10,779 --> 00:32:08,480
said I'm so glad you called me this time

739
00:32:13,659 --> 00:32:10,789
he said for several weeks so we have

740
00:32:16,419 --> 00:32:13,669
been plagued by these crazy things out

741
00:32:18,669 --> 00:32:16,429
here he said there has been in fact so

742
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much activity that a directive was sent

743
00:32:24,340 --> 00:32:21,649
out that everyone out here was to use

744
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any means at their disposal to get

745
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intelligence on these objects and he

746
00:32:31,210 --> 00:32:28,909
said I would bet if you would tell those

747
00:32:33,490 --> 00:32:31,220
guys to sneak around here they obviously

748
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can't get in the facility but if they'll

749
00:32:37,090 --> 00:32:35,240
sleep sneaked around the edge they've

750
00:32:39,190 --> 00:32:37,100
got to see these things because we are

751
00:32:42,010 --> 00:32:39,200
seeing them so regularly and constantly

752
00:32:45,130 --> 00:32:42,020
in the last few weeks well we wouldn't

753
00:32:50,019 --> 00:32:45,140
pass up an opportunity like that so on

754
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:50,029
the morning of the 19th of July 1978 we

755
00:32:54,970 --> 00:32:52,399
had packed all of our fancy equipment in

756
00:32:57,490 --> 00:32:54,980
the Chevrolet Silverado and the tree and

757
00:32:59,889 --> 00:32:57,500
myself and two other persons experienced

758
00:33:01,870 --> 00:32:59,899
members of our air ground crew they can

759
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:01,880
operate the equipment we took off for

760
00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:05,690
first West Texas and the it was odd

761
00:33:10,990 --> 00:33:07,279
because we had planned to circulate

762
00:33:12,549 --> 00:33:11,000
around the east side of light sands and

763
00:33:14,919 --> 00:33:12,559
when we got to highway where we were to

764
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:14,929
turn I had this weird sensation maybe

765
00:33:20,529 --> 00:33:18,080
this is where my grandmother inherited

766
00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:20,539
psychic ability comes in I had a feeling

767
00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:22,159
if we took that route we wouldn't see a

768
00:33:27,159 --> 00:33:24,320
thing but I had a feeling to go on and

769
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:27,169
take the highway across to Roswell

770
00:33:30,010 --> 00:33:28,730
not because of Roswell but because it

771
00:33:32,919 --> 00:33:30,020
was the highway I thought we were to

772
00:33:34,930 --> 00:33:32,929
take and we did and when we got through

773
00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:34,940
the plains Texas just west of Plains

774
00:33:41,620 --> 00:33:39,110
Texas and from daylight all of a sudden

775
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:41,630
we saw two UFOs maneuvering in this

776
00:33:47,139 --> 00:33:44,690
beautiful blue desert sky and we stopped

777
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:47,149
and now we were so excited I forgot to

778
00:33:50,930 --> 00:33:48,690
put out the gravimeter sensor but

779
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:50,940
we I put out the magnetometer sensor

780
00:33:56,390 --> 00:33:54,930
properly deployed and got the super 8

781
00:33:59,600 --> 00:33:56,400
millimeter movie camera with 10 power

782
00:34:01,570 --> 00:33:59,610
telephoto lens out and filmed these

783
00:34:04,340 --> 00:34:01,580
things they were wonderful these objects

784
00:34:05,630 --> 00:34:04,350
would go along side by side and we had

785
00:34:09,410 --> 00:34:05,640
the impression they were a pretty good

786
00:34:12,610 --> 00:34:09,420
angular size each object I would say

787
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:12,620
that it covered about Oh nearly the full

788
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:14,490
angular width of the full moon which

789
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:16,290
would be about a half degree and they

790
00:34:19,790 --> 00:34:18,450
would be moving along side by side at

791
00:34:21,950 --> 00:34:19,800
high speed and we felt they were

792
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:21,960
somewhere but at least between 60 and 90

793
00:34:25,910 --> 00:34:24,690
thousand feet maybe higher and then one

794
00:34:28,700 --> 00:34:25,920
would instantly be going the other way

795
00:34:31,370 --> 00:34:28,710
now it's interesting that when I examine

796
00:34:33,410 --> 00:34:31,380
the movie film actor word you see both

797
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:33,420
objects they look quite normal until the

798
00:34:38,210 --> 00:34:35,850
moment the one reverses the moment

799
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:38,220
before it reverses around that one you

800
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:42,000
see a like a donut of brilliant red with

801
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:43,410
streaks going out from it in all

802
00:34:48,980 --> 00:34:46,890
directions and this would suggest some

803
00:34:52,460 --> 00:34:48,990
bursts of energy that enabled it to flip

804
00:34:55,070 --> 00:34:52,470
and move exactly 180 degrees with no

805
00:34:56,690 --> 00:34:55,080
visible slowdown which is in itself

806
00:34:59,450 --> 00:34:56,700
quite remarkable but that's that's why

807
00:35:02,000 --> 00:34:59,460
we recorded and we had the first great

808
00:35:04,490 --> 00:35:02,010
thrill of our experiences in trying to

809
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:04,500
hard data monitor UFOs because as we

810
00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:07,410
watch this we had an audio analog of the

811
00:35:11,090 --> 00:35:08,910
magnetic field they were putting out

812
00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:11,100
strong magnetic field effect in the

813
00:35:17,090 --> 00:35:14,720
extreme low frequency range and whenever

814
00:35:18,980 --> 00:35:17,100
visually one of these objects would

815
00:35:20,990 --> 00:35:18,990
reverse direction let me give you with

816
00:35:27,100 --> 00:35:21,000
my voice as close as I can duplicate it

817
00:35:31,010 --> 00:35:29,120
there's nothing wrong with your

818
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:31,020
television set we're constrained that

819
00:35:40,850 --> 00:35:38,610
sounded like a wounded cat great let me

820
00:35:43,460 --> 00:35:40,860
let me just jump in here real quick you

821
00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:43,470
mentioned that you filmed the this event

822
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:46,710
now have these films ever been shown

823
00:35:53,089 --> 00:35:49,170
publicly I know you have you're sitting

824
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:53,099
on a traffic slab of films right

825
00:35:56,999 --> 00:35:55,119
have you ever had these broadcast

826
00:35:58,799 --> 00:35:57,009
anywhere they ever been published oh no

827
00:35:59,999 --> 00:35:58,809
no no they have not been broadcast okay

828
00:36:01,410 --> 00:36:00,009
we're gonna talk about this whole

829
00:36:03,269 --> 00:36:01,420
subject I don't want to interrupt and

830
00:36:05,370 --> 00:36:03,279
digress too far but later on we'll talk

831
00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:05,380
about your films but but continue that's

832
00:36:09,150 --> 00:36:07,569
a before we do continue we're about to

833
00:36:11,099 --> 00:36:09,160
take a break and I don't want to have a

834
00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:11,109
cliffhanger people criticize us when we

835
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have to do a break which is mandated by

836
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a time clock and then we have to break

837
00:36:19,319 --> 00:36:17,619
the conversation so I'm going to let ray

838
00:36:21,210 --> 00:36:19,329
answer that question on the other side

839
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we have to tell everybody that if you

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850
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851
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:50,019
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852
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905
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906
00:39:08,539 --> 00:39:06,450
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907
00:39:10,370 --> 00:39:08,549
similar audacity called GMO or

908
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909
00:39:13,940 --> 00:39:12,029
that the quality of commercially grown

910
00:39:16,010 --> 00:39:13,950
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911
00:39:17,390 --> 00:39:16,020
in the balance now that summer's here

912
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what better time to learn about the

913
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914
00:39:24,349 --> 00:39:22,319
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915
00:39:26,420 --> 00:39:24,359
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916
00:39:27,799 --> 00:39:26,430
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917
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summer for the cost of a good meal or

918
00:39:30,620 --> 00:39:29,400
two out you can literally starvation

919
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proof yourself and your loved ones

920
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against any future craziness and put up

921
00:39:36,890 --> 00:39:35,220
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922
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923
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that Linda's 50 or so staple foods

924
00:39:43,579 --> 00:39:40,650
aren't involved our foods are their

925
00:39:48,890 --> 00:39:43,589
enemy so go to of the field calm or call

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938
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941
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942
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943
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illegal to grow in the US but is legal

944
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to import don't waste time thinking

945
00:40:33,260 --> 00:40:31,500
about storing food plan ahead and

946
00:40:35,839 --> 00:40:33,270
prepare for yourself and your family now

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can save and invest your money but in

949
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:39,869
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00:40:46,789 --> 00:40:42,000
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00:40:50,900 --> 00:40:48,690
what the powder seeds in oil can do for

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00:41:03,019 --> 00:41:02,099
today tired of searching for great

957
00:41:05,570 --> 00:41:03,029
talk-radio

958
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:05,580
and I think it really does make it

959
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:11,610
we are the gcn radio network hi this is

960
00:41:16,970 --> 00:41:14,400
Don Ecker and you are tuned into the

961
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:16,980
para cast let me tell you what you're

962
00:41:22,670 --> 00:41:19,440
gonna hear stuff here that you probably

963
00:41:25,460 --> 00:41:22,680
won't hear anywhere else here that

964
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:25,470
George Noory race and for joining us

965
00:41:31,580 --> 00:41:27,450
this week on the power cast we were

966
00:41:34,070 --> 00:41:31,590
about to talk further about this 1978

967
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:34,080
UFO encounter that he witnessed the

968
00:41:39,050 --> 00:41:36,450
co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm gene

969
00:41:41,330 --> 00:41:39,060
steinberger in the power cast so Chris

970
00:41:43,610 --> 00:41:41,340
put a question on the table then I broke

971
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:43,620
it for a few moments could you answer

972
00:41:49,900 --> 00:41:46,890
ray I'm not sure that that chris said he

973
00:41:52,490 --> 00:41:49,910
wanted but the postponed a discussion of

974
00:41:54,140 --> 00:41:52,500
let's cut that later let's let ray go on

975
00:41:55,790 --> 00:41:54,150
all right let me tell you a few more

976
00:41:59,300 --> 00:41:55,800
important very important details of this

977
00:42:02,180 --> 00:41:59,310
case we as we normally did our field

978
00:42:03,980 --> 00:42:02,190
operations we were recording a time

979
00:42:05,150 --> 00:42:03,990
signal from the Bureau of Standards at

980
00:42:08,410 --> 00:42:05,160
Fort Collins Colorado

981
00:42:11,870 --> 00:42:08,420
it's called wwvv it's a binary time

982
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:11,880
format and we're recording this on the

983
00:42:16,430 --> 00:42:14,250
tape in the different grains in which

984
00:42:19,100 --> 00:42:16,440
we're recording the magnetic field

985
00:42:21,170 --> 00:42:19,110
effects of the UFOs and GFX if we'd had

986
00:42:23,090 --> 00:42:21,180
that particular part operating that

987
00:42:24,890 --> 00:42:23,100
afternoon which we forgot because it was

988
00:42:26,930 --> 00:42:24,900
so exciting then we didn't forget the

989
00:42:29,450 --> 00:42:26,940
next later that night when something

990
00:42:32,330 --> 00:42:29,460
happened but what is interesting is that

991
00:42:34,940 --> 00:42:32,340
when you look at the analog graph of the

992
00:42:37,370 --> 00:42:34,950
radio signal from Fort Collins Bureau

993
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:37,380
standard broadcast which is below our

994
00:42:42,020 --> 00:42:40,050
horizon there in West Texas and with the

995
00:42:43,700 --> 00:42:42,030
pins upon the reflection of the

996
00:42:46,250 --> 00:42:43,710
ionosphere which acts kind of like a

997
00:42:48,110 --> 00:42:46,260
metal sheet and reflects the signal from

998
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:48,120
the Bureau of Standards down toward us

999
00:42:53,540 --> 00:42:51,570
look when you look at the signal of the

1000
00:42:56,300 --> 00:42:53,550
UFO magnetic field in the extremely

1001
00:42:59,090 --> 00:42:56,310
frequency range whenever that reversal

1002
00:43:01,550 --> 00:42:59,100
of direction occurs you see and and the

1003
00:43:04,820 --> 00:43:01,560
feel and magnitude dispossess up

1004
00:43:08,300 --> 00:43:04,830
tremendously high you see a directly

1005
00:43:10,940 --> 00:43:08,310
proportioned rhop in the reception from

1006
00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:10,950
wwvv which indicates that they were

1007
00:43:16,460 --> 00:43:13,920
disturbing the ionosphere with the

1008
00:43:17,900 --> 00:43:16,470
strong magnetic field which tends to be

1009
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:17,910
borne out also by the fact that they

1010
00:43:23,100 --> 00:43:18,880
were at high

1011
00:43:26,970 --> 00:43:23,110
altitude as I said earlier and therefore

1012
00:43:30,270 --> 00:43:26,980
we have a substantiation there of a

1013
00:43:32,910 --> 00:43:30,280
hypothesis that suggests that UFOs are

1014
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:32,920
using magneto hydrodynamics propulsion

1015
00:43:36,270 --> 00:43:34,000
that they are electrifying the

1016
00:43:36,810 --> 00:43:36,280
atmosphere around them and moving it for

1017
00:43:39,210 --> 00:43:36,820
propulsion

1018
00:43:41,220 --> 00:43:39,220
with a magnetic field and when they have

1019
00:43:43,470 --> 00:43:41,230
to alter that and put on some extra

1020
00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:43,480
force to reverse direction and it pulses

1021
00:43:49,470 --> 00:43:46,480
up it jars the ionosphere we lose

1022
00:43:51,240 --> 00:43:49,480
virtually all or almost all of our

1023
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:51,250
signal from the Bureau of Standards only

1024
00:43:55,410 --> 00:43:53,410
in that period and as soon as the UFO

1025
00:43:57,450 --> 00:43:55,420
field returns to normal the reception

1026
00:43:59,160 --> 00:43:57,460
from Fort Collins returns to normal and

1027
00:44:02,340 --> 00:43:59,170
you have this you have this information

1028
00:44:05,130 --> 00:44:02,350
you know in a graph form that was

1029
00:44:07,260 --> 00:44:05,140
recorded at the time at the location in

1030
00:44:10,290 --> 00:44:07,270
other words yes and yes in fact I sent

1031
00:44:12,660 --> 00:44:10,300
you a slide that included two samples of

1032
00:44:14,460 --> 00:44:12,670
it okay great so we're gonna put that up

1033
00:44:17,010 --> 00:44:14,470
on the para cows just to give people a

1034
00:44:19,830 --> 00:44:17,020
point of reference on that continue this

1035
00:44:21,870 --> 00:44:19,840
was of course a most thrilling thing we

1036
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:21,880
have not only the recordings going on

1037
00:44:28,260 --> 00:44:24,130
inside the machine that magnetometer

1038
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:28,270
gravimeter @ww signal externally we had

1039
00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:31,210
an ambient sounds recorder the records

1040
00:44:36,180 --> 00:44:33,280
every click of a camera everything that

1041
00:44:38,820 --> 00:44:36,190
we say and this this kind of thing

1042
00:44:40,620 --> 00:44:38,830
and it's really exciting when you when

1043
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:40,630
you listen to it after we did when we

1044
00:44:47,100 --> 00:44:45,490
got back to Austin you hear when we for

1045
00:44:50,190 --> 00:44:47,110
the first time in the history of our

1046
00:44:51,870 --> 00:44:50,200
entire project when we hear these strong

1047
00:44:54,030 --> 00:44:51,880
magnetic pulses from the UFO and

1048
00:44:56,930 --> 00:44:54,040
suddenly it reverses direction one of

1049
00:45:01,830 --> 00:44:59,820
and it did this numbers of times I mean

1050
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:01,840
you hear is jumping up and down and

1051
00:45:08,250 --> 00:45:05,170
shouting I mean if we really had a shot

1052
00:45:10,500 --> 00:45:08,260
of adrenaline with that now as we left

1053
00:45:12,810 --> 00:45:10,510
as the objects disappeared and we put up

1054
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:12,820
our equipment and headed west on tarah

1055
00:45:17,790 --> 00:45:14,890
as well they have dinner we got to

1056
00:45:19,290 --> 00:45:17,800
talking and I said did you guys feel

1057
00:45:20,730 --> 00:45:19,300
that feeling just before these things

1058
00:45:22,350 --> 00:45:20,740
showed up I said I felt it really

1059
00:45:26,010 --> 00:45:22,360
strongly yes I did from even the very

1060
00:45:28,980 --> 00:45:26,020
first time I ever saw a UFO in the 1950s

1061
00:45:31,500 --> 00:45:28,990
and the mid 1950s they both said they

1062
00:45:32,610 --> 00:45:31,510
did I said well I said I would think

1063
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:32,620
this must have been some

1064
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:35,970
a psychic signal from the occupants and

1065
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:38,800
one of our other two crew members there

1066
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:42,640
was a man ray-ray hold on a second you

1067
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:44,290
said you felt that this was a psychic

1068
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:46,690
signal from the occupants I thought it

1069
00:45:50,970 --> 00:45:48,640
might be I couldn't explain it I had you

1070
00:45:54,450 --> 00:45:50,980
know my first did anybody else's did

1071
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:54,460
anybody else you know suggest that they

1072
00:45:59,520 --> 00:45:57,130
also kind of felt some sort of sensation

1073
00:46:02,250 --> 00:45:59,530
what kind of surprise me I asked him if

1074
00:46:04,860 --> 00:46:02,260
they felt it but I was very surprised to

1075
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:04,870
say that both of them did but the one

1076
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:08,050
man who is a before you go on with that

1077
00:46:13,590 --> 00:46:10,810
right okay you felt this impression

1078
00:46:16,050 --> 00:46:13,600
describe it in more detail how okay you

1079
00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:16,060
feel why do you feel it would come from

1080
00:46:20,010 --> 00:46:18,250
the occupants of these UFO I don't feel

1081
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:20,020
that I want to explain that I don't feel

1082
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:21,610
that I did at the time and had since the

1083
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:24,130
1950s but this experience changed my

1084
00:46:30,420 --> 00:46:26,530
mind is you'll see now the feeling is

1085
00:46:32,850 --> 00:46:30,430
one that I call euphoria you phor I a

1086
00:46:35,010 --> 00:46:32,860
means a strong sense of well-being or

1087
00:46:37,350 --> 00:46:35,020
even a false sense of well-being but I

1088
00:46:39,090 --> 00:46:37,360
spell it with UFO RI a because what

1089
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:39,100
we've found out is that when these

1090
00:46:44,130 --> 00:46:41,410
things get within about 20 miles of us

1091
00:46:46,260 --> 00:46:44,140
you can learn to feel this but I did not

1092
00:46:48,030 --> 00:46:46,270
know at the time that that is what this

1093
00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:48,040
was that I had experienced in UFO

1094
00:46:54,420 --> 00:46:51,730
encounters since June 10th 1953 or 54

1095
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:54,430
which ever was and I had interpreted

1096
00:46:58,890 --> 00:46:56,050
there's some kind of a psychic

1097
00:47:01,140 --> 00:46:58,900
interface with the occupants okay so

1098
00:47:04,020 --> 00:47:01,150
this euphoria could be maybe an

1099
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:04,030
outgrowth of the radiation they generate

1100
00:47:09,420 --> 00:47:06,610
when they fly around in the semi explain

1101
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:09,430
the the businessman who is with us is

1102
00:47:13,050 --> 00:47:11,290
one of our big finance tears he said

1103
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:13,060
look right this was nothing psychic he

1104
00:47:18,270 --> 00:47:15,370
said I'm as psychic as I as a glass

1105
00:47:20,070 --> 00:47:18,280
doorknob he said you know this was so

1106
00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:20,080
physical you could cause like my middle

1107
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:22,510
name psychic is a glass doorknob yeah

1108
00:47:27,330 --> 00:47:24,370
maybe he said brass either one they

1109
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:27,340
rhyme and but what happened is he said

1110
00:47:31,730 --> 00:47:29,200
look I can tell you you know how psychic

1111
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:31,740
and not he said this was something

1112
00:47:37,050 --> 00:47:34,810
physiological well when we had gone on

1113
00:47:40,500 --> 00:47:37,060
it the amazing experiences in the next

1114
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:40,510
few days and that night we went out to

1115
00:47:45,420 --> 00:47:42,130
California to the company that had made

1116
00:47:45,970 --> 00:47:45,430
our equipment and they analog craft says

1117
00:47:48,730 --> 00:47:45,980
and

1118
00:47:50,410 --> 00:47:48,740
we saw that a large part of the

1119
00:47:52,930 --> 00:47:50,420
extremely low frequency magnetism that

1120
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:52,940
these objects were emitting was in the

1121
00:47:59,830 --> 00:47:55,760
range of deep restful sleep well I did

1122
00:48:02,940 --> 00:47:59,840
some research in depth upon studies not

1123
00:48:06,130 --> 00:48:02,950
at all related to UFOs in laboratories

1124
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:06,140
studying the reaction of the human

1125
00:48:11,050 --> 00:48:08,570
nervous system ebrake which is nervous

1126
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:11,060
ofcourse to extreme low frequency

1127
00:48:16,660 --> 00:48:14,240
magnetism and I found out that for one

1128
00:48:18,060 --> 00:48:16,670
thing that when the brain system

1129
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:18,070
encounters those that are in that

1130
00:48:22,300 --> 00:48:20,930
natural physiological range and by means

1131
00:48:24,310 --> 00:48:22,310
that which they don't quite understand

1132
00:48:26,980 --> 00:48:24,320
at least didn't then it starts

1133
00:48:28,980 --> 00:48:26,990
replicating them it starts copying it's

1134
00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:28,990
kind of like I give you an analogy you

1135
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:31,250
you're around a person you really admire

1136
00:48:33,730 --> 00:48:32,450
and they're from another country and

1137
00:48:35,349 --> 00:48:33,740
then you're much embarrassed an hour

1138
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:35,359
later you're suddenly talking and there

1139
00:48:41,740 --> 00:48:39,530
actually is a replication something hits

1140
00:48:43,570 --> 00:48:41,750
me here of all the thousands of people

1141
00:48:45,609 --> 00:48:43,580
who've seen UFOs maybe millions of

1142
00:48:49,630 --> 00:48:45,619
people how many experienced this

1143
00:48:51,340 --> 00:48:49,640
euphoria this effect when they are in

1144
00:48:52,750 --> 00:48:51,350
the vicinity of a sighting this is

1145
00:48:54,670 --> 00:48:52,760
something that's happening over and over

1146
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:54,680
again and it is mentioned in the

1147
00:48:58,090 --> 00:48:56,480
literature not by my name unless

1148
00:49:01,359 --> 00:48:58,100
somebody's picked up on my telling it

1149
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:01,369
publicly but let me point out that these

1150
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:03,530
may be one event cases and you don't

1151
00:49:07,150 --> 00:49:05,330
make a correlation for example all those

1152
00:49:09,010 --> 00:49:07,160
years and the encounters I had had I

1153
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:09,020
didn't make that correlation of course

1154
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:11,210
that it was physiological but others

1155
00:49:15,460 --> 00:49:13,250
with me had experienced in it but I was

1156
00:49:18,700 --> 00:49:15,470
really pleased and surprised that these

1157
00:49:22,270 --> 00:49:18,710
guys did that day anyway we kept on

1158
00:49:24,580 --> 00:49:22,280
going down the highway and Oh long ago a

1159
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:24,590
cloud a small one of these real light

1160
00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:26,000
clouds moved out of the way and here was

1161
00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:28,480
a beautiful thing shaped like a cylinder

1162
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:31,609
glowing an incredible deep rich emerald

1163
00:49:36,099 --> 00:49:33,280
to the most beautiful Kelly or

1164
00:49:38,349 --> 00:49:36,109
best-quality mo you could imagine green

1165
00:49:41,500 --> 00:49:38,359
and suddenly off the end of it two

1166
00:49:43,450 --> 00:49:41,510
parallel streaks started projecting out

1167
00:49:46,210 --> 00:49:43,460
they were as fine as if you drew them

1168
00:49:47,830 --> 00:49:46,220
with a sharp draftsman pencil and they

1169
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:47,840
they went out like rails they projected

1170
00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:51,410
out of the thing and oh boy of course we

1171
00:49:54,340 --> 00:49:53,119
thrown the brakes and we're gonna stop

1172
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:54,350
and get our thanks and at that point

1173
00:49:59,109 --> 00:49:56,960
another cloud little cloud moved in

1174
00:49:59,800 --> 00:49:59,119
front of it but before we could get our

1175
00:50:01,420 --> 00:49:59,810
equipment now

1176
00:50:03,940 --> 00:50:01,430
the cloud moved out of the way and it

1177
00:50:06,220 --> 00:50:03,950
was no longer there but so that's one of

1178
00:50:09,130 --> 00:50:06,230
the facing either way but they didn't

1179
00:50:11,290 --> 00:50:09,140
get away that night fortunately because

1180
00:50:13,780 --> 00:50:11,300
we followed what we had been told by a

1181
00:50:16,839 --> 00:50:13,790
very nice lady in Austin and we went

1182
00:50:19,870 --> 00:50:16,849
right on had dinner at Roswell and went

1183
00:50:21,550 --> 00:50:19,880
right on past curry soda which is just

1184
00:50:24,730 --> 00:50:21,560
north of the highway in New Mexico north

1185
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:24,740
otherwise everything arranged and we got

1186
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:27,200
to a point just a little to the north

1187
00:50:34,359 --> 00:50:31,130
west of a huge peak they're called guna

1188
00:50:36,339 --> 00:50:34,369
OS see you are a peak you can get up on

1189
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:36,349
top of there if you were head clearance

1190
00:50:40,270 --> 00:50:38,450
and you can look over and see where the

1191
00:50:43,180 --> 00:50:40,280
first nuclear bomb was set off at the

1192
00:50:45,460 --> 00:50:43,190
Jornada del Muerto in New Mexico well

1193
00:50:47,290 --> 00:50:45,470
anyway we're driving along there and I

1194
00:50:49,450 --> 00:50:47,300
am as I'm driving at that time and I'm

1195
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:49,460
as tired as I can be because we spent

1196
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:51,440
most of the night before packing up and

1197
00:50:55,810 --> 00:50:53,930
so we're just really dragged out at that

1198
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:55,820
point all of a sudden I felt the

1199
00:51:00,940 --> 00:50:57,680
authority are so strong which is a sense

1200
00:51:02,410 --> 00:51:00,950
of extreme well-being that I mean I had

1201
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:02,420
not ever experienced it that strong

1202
00:51:05,740 --> 00:51:04,730
perhaps and I said to the other two I

1203
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:05,750
said my gosh

1204
00:51:10,329 --> 00:51:08,480
do you guys people that and one of the

1205
00:51:13,420 --> 00:51:10,339
two people was my wife and she said I

1206
00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:13,430
really this is incredible she has so

1207
00:51:19,240 --> 00:51:15,920
strong and the the other fellow of the

1208
00:51:21,700 --> 00:51:19,250
businessman said yes this is Incred

1209
00:51:23,290 --> 00:51:21,710
I wouldn't be surprised if one of those

1210
00:51:24,940 --> 00:51:23,300
things showed up right in front of us

1211
00:51:26,410 --> 00:51:24,950
right down the road I'll tell you what

1212
00:51:28,510 --> 00:51:26,420
that's the cliffhanger right down the

1213
00:51:31,060 --> 00:51:28,520
road race tan for joining us this week

1214
00:51:32,589 --> 00:51:31,070
the co-host is Chris O'Brien and we're

1215
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:32,599
talking about some incredible

1216
00:51:37,930 --> 00:51:35,330
ufo-related encounters in and around

1217
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:37,940
whites and starting in Texas moving to

1218
00:51:41,290 --> 00:51:39,650
New Mexico and I want to get the

1219
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:41,300
geography straight in the moment I'm

1220
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:49,640
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1221
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1234
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:21,550
live.com we the people grow cotton wheat

1235
00:52:25,170 --> 00:52:23,530
fabric engraving can bed strips and

1236
00:52:26,970 --> 00:52:25,180
fibers to protect from counterfeit than

1237
00:52:27,930 --> 00:52:26,980
carding to a private bank having a led

1238
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:27,940
back at interest

1239
00:52:31,500 --> 00:52:29,650
forcing taxes to service debt this

1240
00:52:32,970 --> 00:52:31,510
capitalism or was Jefferson correct when

1241
00:52:34,590 --> 00:52:32,980
stating a central bank issuing the

1242
00:52:35,730 --> 00:52:34,600
public currency is a greater menace to

1243
00:52:37,170 --> 00:52:35,740
the liberties of the people than a

1244
00:52:38,610 --> 00:52:37,180
standing army today understand I'm

1245
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:38,620
placing a free silver dollar in a book

1246
00:52:43,980 --> 00:52:40,450
that explains our monetary system call

1247
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:43,990
for your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time

1248
00:52:55,650 --> 00:52:47,170
to understand the system call 866 to 237

1249
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:55,660
that's 800 686 to 237 welcome back to

1250
00:53:00,900 --> 00:52:57,610
the pair cast the gold standard of

1251
00:53:03,530 --> 00:53:00,910
paranormal radio and now here's gene

1252
00:53:12,130 --> 00:53:03,540
Steinberg

1253
00:53:17,660 --> 00:53:15,080
ray stanford joins us this week on the

1254
00:53:20,350 --> 00:53:17,670
para cast we're talking about very

1255
00:53:23,330 --> 00:53:20,360
fascinating UFO encounters in and around

1256
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:23,340
white sands the co-host is Chris O'Brien

1257
00:53:27,860 --> 00:53:25,290
I'm gene Steinberg you're in the power

1258
00:53:30,770 --> 00:53:27,870
cast a question of geography before we

1259
00:53:32,990 --> 00:53:30,780
go into this later case when you first

1260
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:33,000
saw the thing in Texas how far was that

1261
00:53:39,110 --> 00:53:35,520
from white sands that was I don't know

1262
00:53:41,930 --> 00:53:39,120
the mileage but planes Texas is is right

1263
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:41,940
out in the middle of the highway that

1264
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:43,680
runs on the north well back there the

1265
00:53:46,460 --> 00:53:44,850
highway that runs on the north side of

1266
00:53:48,530 --> 00:53:46,470
white sands and if you go east on it

1267
00:53:50,930 --> 00:53:48,540
from whites and go through Roswell it

1268
00:53:54,380 --> 00:53:50,940
goes right on into West Texas and it's

1269
00:53:57,140 --> 00:53:54,390
about I don't know I'm from South Texas

1270
00:53:59,120 --> 00:53:57,150
Texas is a big place but it's right in

1271
00:54:01,250 --> 00:53:59,130
the middle of that part of Texas that

1272
00:54:04,190 --> 00:54:01,260
sticks out there and comes to a point

1273
00:54:05,900 --> 00:54:04,200
out into so you were like three four

1274
00:54:08,060 --> 00:54:05,910
hundred miles away at that point then I

1275
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:08,070
I don't I don't know I don't think it

1276
00:54:12,770 --> 00:54:10,800
was I don't really know to tell you it's

1277
00:54:14,330 --> 00:54:12,780
I don't think it was quite 400 miles it

1278
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:14,340
might have been though because it it

1279
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:16,170
took us it was dark when we got into

1280
00:54:24,770 --> 00:54:21,090
Roswell and and got dinner and it was at

1281
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:24,780
11:35 when when we just broke off and we

1282
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:27,050
were having this feeling very strongly

1283
00:54:31,370 --> 00:54:29,130
let's return to what we were talking

1284
00:54:33,350 --> 00:54:31,380
about before the break now your wife

1285
00:54:36,740 --> 00:54:33,360
felt the same kind of euphoria that you

1286
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:36,750
felt right yes isn't it the other person

1287
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:38,130
right okay

1288
00:54:42,050 --> 00:54:39,690
go on please with the description of

1289
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:42,060
what okay what happened is and III

1290
00:54:45,110 --> 00:54:43,920
explain I said it's so strong I wouldn't

1291
00:54:46,190 --> 00:54:45,120
be surprised if one of these things

1292
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:46,200
appeared right down the road right now

1293
00:54:51,740 --> 00:54:49,050
at that instant it appeared now the

1294
00:54:54,830 --> 00:54:51,750
thing was shaped like the sapporo object

1295
00:54:57,170 --> 00:54:54,840
a very elongated ellipse order egg shape

1296
00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:57,180
you stretched out an egg and the surface

1297
00:55:01,730 --> 00:54:59,040
of it was glowing the reddest red i've

1298
00:55:04,310 --> 00:55:01,740
ever seen it made we had a heating neon

1299
00:55:06,380 --> 00:55:04,320
laser back at our lab and it would make

1300
00:55:09,410 --> 00:55:06,390
that thing look orange it was so long

1301
00:55:11,870 --> 00:55:09,420
red for the infrared wavelength and it

1302
00:55:13,790 --> 00:55:11,880
was flashing at one rate but there was a

1303
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:13,800
corona out around it not coming off the

1304
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:15,810
surface but that farm out some distance

1305
00:55:20,180 --> 00:55:17,970
from the surface that was flashing at a

1306
00:55:22,790 --> 00:55:20,190
different rate and this corona was the

1307
00:55:23,460 --> 00:55:22,800
same color it was absent for about 40

1308
00:55:26,540 --> 00:55:23,470
degrees

1309
00:55:28,620 --> 00:55:26,550
the direction of travel and these

1310
00:55:31,230 --> 00:55:28,630
egg-shaped object would travel just a

1311
00:55:33,510 --> 00:55:31,240
little tilted a bit off of their axis of

1312
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:33,520
straight ahead but you'd see this you

1313
00:55:36,270 --> 00:55:34,930
could imagine maybe there was a I don't

1314
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:36,280
know if it was a magnetic van or what

1315
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:38,170
their that the plasma was not there but

1316
00:55:43,740 --> 00:55:41,650
he could see this seeming plasma red in

1317
00:55:46,109 --> 00:55:43,750
the corona out around and then the the

1318
00:55:47,099 --> 00:55:46,119
surface had the same color as I said

1319
00:55:49,470 --> 00:55:47,109
though they were flashing at two

1320
00:55:52,109 --> 00:55:49,480
different rates as we documented on film

1321
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:52,119
we were able to subsequently measure

1322
00:55:58,800 --> 00:55:55,450
well of course we jumped out of the the

1323
00:56:01,410 --> 00:55:58,810
Silverado and took out all the equipment

1324
00:56:03,240 --> 00:56:01,420
and this time we effectively we got out

1325
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:03,250
and I deployed about 300 feet from the

1326
00:56:07,710 --> 00:56:05,530
highway and the vehicle the gravimeter

1327
00:56:10,620 --> 00:56:07,720
sensor and about 250 feet away I

1328
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:10,630
deployed the magnetometer sensor and

1329
00:56:17,940 --> 00:56:14,170
just as I am finished setting up the two

1330
00:56:21,420 --> 00:56:17,950
sensors I had set my spectral spectrum

1331
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:21,430
camera on the back of the van and my

1332
00:56:27,780 --> 00:56:25,330
wife screamed right get a spectrum I

1333
00:56:30,210 --> 00:56:27,790
turned around them on to hold the red

1334
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:30,220
object was no longer a red object and it

1335
00:56:37,010 --> 00:56:32,890
wasn't moving to the northwest it was

1336
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:37,020
moving straight down it was huge it was

1337
00:56:40,890 --> 00:56:39,280
there was the weird thing about it was

1338
00:56:43,380 --> 00:56:40,900
that it was nothing but it was it was

1339
00:56:46,410 --> 00:56:43,390
bright but there was no glare it's as if

1340
00:56:49,380 --> 00:56:46,420
it almost looked like a cutout oval it

1341
00:56:52,380 --> 00:56:49,390
wasn't the long ellipsoid it looked

1342
00:56:54,599 --> 00:56:52,390
completely flat and like a cutout oval

1343
00:56:57,599 --> 00:56:54,609
more of an oval in an actual ellipse

1344
00:57:00,030 --> 00:56:57,609
shape and like I was two-dimensional you

1345
00:57:01,859 --> 00:57:00,040
like it yeah a missional I had had an

1346
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:01,869
experience of seeing objects like this

1347
00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:03,970
before I read them in the literature but

1348
00:57:07,950 --> 00:57:06,250
somehow in one this you know this big in

1349
00:57:10,349 --> 00:57:07,960
this course this red thing is suddenly

1350
00:57:13,410 --> 00:57:10,359
become like this you're well I ran over

1351
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:13,420
and lay my hands on the spectrum camera

1352
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:15,520
see you it was so big and so bright you

1353
00:57:19,710 --> 00:57:16,690
should be able to get a big huge

1354
00:57:21,599 --> 00:57:19,720
wonderful spectrum the moment I put my

1355
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:21,609
hands on the camera the thing made a

1356
00:57:27,329 --> 00:57:24,130
90-degree turn with visual instant II

1357
00:57:29,070 --> 00:57:27,339
continued to the north and if I remember

1358
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:29,080
it was to the north is to the south in

1359
00:57:36,270 --> 00:57:32,770
that case and it became the object we

1360
00:57:37,150 --> 00:57:36,280
had first seen and this was very strange

1361
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:37,160
and I was

1362
00:57:40,810 --> 00:57:39,050
infuriated and upset that I had missed

1363
00:57:43,060 --> 00:57:40,820
the spectrum of it because that would

1364
00:57:45,610 --> 00:57:43,070
give it for clearer sharper spectrum

1365
00:57:48,910 --> 00:57:45,620
than the the red object which is

1366
00:57:53,860 --> 00:57:48,920
actually much smaller fortunately during

1367
00:57:57,670 --> 00:57:53,870
that vertical descent the gentleman that

1368
00:57:59,800 --> 00:57:57,680
was with us that was operating the 35

1369
00:58:01,750 --> 00:57:59,810
millimeter film camera with 300

1370
00:58:05,230 --> 00:58:01,760
millimeter telephoto took a time

1371
00:58:08,470 --> 00:58:05,240
exposure during the dive and believe me

1372
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:08,480
what was recorded is most remarkable I

1373
00:58:14,890 --> 00:58:12,530
did it at bristle Brian's encouragement

1374
00:58:19,630 --> 00:58:14,900
yesterday I did succeed in finding that

1375
00:58:22,270 --> 00:58:19,640
slide and I'm going to scan it and it it

1376
00:58:26,170 --> 00:58:22,280
is well if you imagine a 35 millimeter

1377
00:58:27,070 --> 00:58:26,180
film frame this thing is about 1/3 maybe

1378
00:58:29,350 --> 00:58:27,080
a little better

1379
00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:29,360
wide right in the middle of the night

1380
00:58:34,420 --> 00:58:32,960
sky the black sky and it goes all the

1381
00:58:36,250 --> 00:58:34,430
way from top to bottom because he just

1382
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:36,260
opened it after the dive had begun and

1383
00:58:39,730 --> 00:58:38,450
closed it before the dive ended because

1384
00:58:41,350 --> 00:58:39,740
he didn't want to move the camera nearly

1385
00:58:43,660 --> 00:58:41,360
gone out of the range of the 300

1386
00:58:47,470 --> 00:58:43,670
millimeter lens so he had it on a tripod

1387
00:58:49,810 --> 00:58:47,480
then in order to take it and he had yet

1388
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:49,820
the cable released so not vibrate the

1389
00:58:59,710 --> 00:58:54,970
tripod camera and so it what it shows is

1390
00:59:02,970 --> 00:58:59,720
bizarre it it's a white issue but it has

1391
00:59:05,740 --> 00:59:02,980
interlocking diamonds on it that are

1392
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:05,750
suddenly darker like they're they're

1393
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:08,330
interlocking long rhombuses rhombic

1394
00:59:13,330 --> 00:59:11,090
shapes to be more specific about the

1395
00:59:16,500 --> 00:59:13,340
shape now on the left side of this kind

1396
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:16,510
of off-white is ivory color kind of a

1397
00:59:22,810 --> 00:59:20,210
vertical array that it produced on the

1398
00:59:24,190 --> 00:59:22,820
left side it looks redder and it may

1399
00:59:25,210 --> 00:59:24,200
have been illusion of the red the left

1400
00:59:26,470 --> 00:59:25,220
side looking red it but it looks like

1401
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:26,480
the right side might be a little more on

1402
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:28,370
the blue side I'll get to analyze that

1403
00:59:32,940 --> 00:59:29,690
when I get to checking it out and

1404
00:59:36,010 --> 00:59:32,950
analysis once I've got it scanned but

1405
00:59:37,990 --> 00:59:36,020
it's quite it's quite strange what would

1406
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:38,000
make that we didn't see any diamond

1407
00:59:41,980 --> 00:59:40,130
shapes it's just this big oval thing

1408
00:59:44,020 --> 00:59:41,990
very bright but not glarey

1409
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:44,030
well why do you think those diamond

1410
00:59:50,090 --> 00:59:46,730
shapes appeared in a time exposure image

1411
00:59:53,550 --> 00:59:50,100
it doesn't sound physically possible for

1412
00:59:56,820 --> 00:59:53,560
about high-speed phenomena that are too

1413
00:59:59,550 --> 00:59:56,830
fast for the eye to see you know you get

1414
01:00:02,430 --> 00:59:59,560
over you know about 12 frames a second

1415
01:00:04,470 --> 01:00:02,440
and the I start splitarf using things in

1416
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:04,480
a movie or they're a little faster TV

1417
01:00:09,030 --> 01:00:06,730
frames and so on and so forth

1418
01:00:12,780 --> 01:00:09,040
the I would with some eight and we don't

1419
01:00:14,550 --> 01:00:12,790
know we don't know the frequency of the

1420
01:00:17,220 --> 01:00:14,560
appearance we don't know if these

1421
01:00:20,010 --> 01:00:17,230
diamonds were one group at a time or one

1422
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:20,020
at a time or how they appeared and all

1423
01:00:23,790 --> 01:00:22,330
of that makes it very understandable

1424
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:23,800
that when you're dealing in first place

1425
01:00:28,260 --> 01:00:25,810
in in high-energy physics most of the

1426
01:00:29,490 --> 01:00:28,270
stuff goes on at a speed that the human

1427
01:00:31,650 --> 01:00:29,500
eye does not catch that's why your

1428
01:00:34,140 --> 01:00:31,660
research cameras on plasma can record

1429
01:00:36,810 --> 01:00:34,150
several million frames a second because

1430
01:00:39,570 --> 01:00:36,820
you can have the plasma buildup and and

1431
01:00:41,610 --> 01:00:39,580
completely go in for less than a

1432
01:00:44,060 --> 01:00:41,620
millionth of a second so we don't know

1433
01:00:47,730 --> 01:00:44,070
we can't speculate at this point about

1434
01:00:50,100 --> 01:00:47,740
what was producing those diamonds the

1435
01:00:51,870 --> 01:00:50,110
curious thing about this event is it's a

1436
01:00:54,450 --> 01:00:51,880
dramatic event and of course we

1437
01:00:58,350 --> 01:00:54,460
graphically remembered it but when we

1438
01:01:00,540 --> 01:00:58,360
got back to Austin and played the entire

1439
01:01:03,510 --> 01:01:00,550
ambient tape a very camera click and

1440
01:01:05,670 --> 01:01:03,520
every reaction every word we said we

1441
01:01:08,820 --> 01:01:05,680
were shocked because it happened a

1442
01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:08,830
second time not long after that and we

1443
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:11,200
had zero we would have sworn that it

1444
01:01:15,270 --> 01:01:13,090
only happened once but you hear us

1445
01:01:17,580 --> 01:01:15,280
reacting to it just grabbing it a second

1446
01:01:18,990 --> 01:01:17,590
time okay this is something I don't

1447
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:19,000
understand so we're gonna have to

1448
01:01:23,820 --> 01:01:21,010
approach this in more detail in a moment

1449
01:01:25,860 --> 01:01:23,830
okay you're saying ray that you remember

1450
01:01:29,010 --> 01:01:25,870
one experience like this but as soon as

1451
01:01:32,540 --> 01:01:29,020
you check your data it was - that's

1452
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:32,550
right okay the recording all right

1453
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:35,050
little mini missing time episode there

1454
01:01:39,390 --> 01:01:37,810
or something or going so fast and

1455
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:39,400
furious that you really it's kind of

1456
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:42,010
hard to keep everything I think there's

1457
01:01:46,530 --> 01:01:44,170
probably a very easy physiological

1458
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:46,540
explanation for this when you're at one

1459
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:48,610
strong extreme low frequency what

1460
01:01:54,510 --> 01:01:51,850
magnetic field is impinging your your

1461
01:01:56,940 --> 01:01:54,520
brain it begins to replicate it well

1462
01:02:00,690 --> 01:01:56,950
this was in the range of deep restful

1463
01:02:02,220 --> 01:02:00,700
sleep I think it can induce amnesia I

1464
01:02:03,330 --> 01:02:02,230
believe that this has been demonstrated

1465
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:03,340
a laboratory I can't

1466
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:04,570
the literature right now but I believe

1467
01:02:09,450 --> 01:02:07,450
that I've read about this and let me

1468
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:09,460
mention an interesting factor

1469
01:02:14,220 --> 01:02:11,410
relationships I'm sure that gene that

1470
01:02:15,390 --> 01:02:14,230
you've heard of cases where the husband

1471
01:02:17,100 --> 01:02:15,400
of a wife gets up in the middle of the

1472
01:02:18,450 --> 01:02:17,110
night to go to the bathroom they look

1473
01:02:21,060 --> 01:02:18,460
out the window and here is this

1474
01:02:23,100 --> 01:02:21,070
incredible object right out there like

1475
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:23,110
it's landing or almost going to land in

1476
01:02:26,310 --> 01:02:24,490
their yard in I'll tell you what though

1477
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:26,320
I have to discuss that in our next

1478
01:02:31,110 --> 01:02:28,450
segment we have Ray Stanford we're

1479
01:02:33,270 --> 01:02:31,120
discussing some really fascinating UFO

1480
01:02:35,580 --> 01:02:33,280
encounters starting in Texas moving on

1481
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:35,590
to near White Sands New Mexico the

1482
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:37,570
co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm gene

1483
01:02:49,330 --> 01:02:40,930
Steinberg you're in the para cast

1484
01:02:55,070 --> 01:02:51,680
you are about to enter another dimension

1485
01:02:56,630 --> 01:02:55,080
a dimension not only of sight and sound

1486
01:02:59,150 --> 01:02:56,640
but of mind

1487
01:03:02,060 --> 01:02:59,160
a journey into a sinister land of secret

1488
01:03:04,790 --> 01:03:02,070
rights passwords initiations and

1489
01:03:07,310 --> 01:03:04,800
handshakes but the truth remains hidden

1490
01:03:11,270 --> 01:03:07,320
in history is controlled by an elite

1491
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:11,280
group of mysterious men imagine if you

1492
01:03:15,859 --> 01:03:13,410
will that I'm holding a book in my hands

1493
01:03:17,870 --> 01:03:15,869
that explains a secret history and that

1494
01:03:20,330 --> 01:03:17,880
the name of this book is conspiracies

1495
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:20,340
and secret societies the complete

1496
01:03:27,970 --> 01:03:23,850
dossier here is described centuries of

1497
01:03:31,580 --> 01:03:27,980
dark dealing lies murder mayhem and

1498
01:03:34,490 --> 01:03:31,590
cover-ups in the pursuit of unimaginable

1499
01:03:36,830 --> 01:03:34,500
money and power my name is Brad stager

1500
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:36,840
and the stories you are about to read

1501
01:03:42,700 --> 01:03:39,210
may have actually happened at the

1502
01:03:46,460 --> 01:03:42,710
signpost up ahead your next stop

1503
01:03:50,810 --> 01:03:46,470
conspiracies and secret societies the

1504
01:03:52,220 --> 01:03:50,820
complete dossier have you ever felt like

1505
01:03:53,990 --> 01:03:52,230
the United States government knows way

1506
01:03:56,060 --> 01:03:54,000
too much about your financial affairs I

1507
01:03:57,830 --> 01:03:56,070
continue to hear stories of our property

1508
01:04:00,109 --> 01:03:57,840
seizures frozen bank accounts

1509
01:04:01,820 --> 01:04:00,119
confiscation of stocks and bonds it

1510
01:04:03,410 --> 01:04:01,830
makes me wonder if the US citizen will

1511
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:03,420
ever again have the right to life

1512
01:04:07,670 --> 01:04:05,570
liberty and the pursuit of happiness

1513
01:04:09,430 --> 01:04:07,680
unfortunately with the drug and money

1514
01:04:12,380 --> 01:04:09,440
laundering Act the IRS Revenue Ruling

1515
01:04:13,540 --> 01:04:12,390
60-45 of 1984 and the trading with the

1516
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:13,550
enemy Act in Franklin D Roosevelt

1517
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:16,770
executive order of 1933 some precious

1518
01:04:20,599 --> 01:04:18,690
metal holdings are subject to government

1519
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:20,609
intervention for this reason Midas

1520
01:04:23,780 --> 01:04:22,050
resources has prepared a report

1521
01:04:25,700 --> 01:04:23,790
explaining the boundaries of trading

1522
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:25,710
precious metals privately whether if you

1523
01:04:29,270 --> 01:04:27,570
have any intention of trading with Midas

1524
01:04:30,859 --> 01:04:29,280
resources or not I have instructed my

1525
01:04:37,820 --> 01:04:30,869
representatives to give this report out

1526
01:04:53,020 --> 01:04:50,549
[Music]

1527
01:04:55,180 --> 01:04:53,030
where of all the military surplus stores

1528
01:04:57,309 --> 01:04:55,190
gone don't worry you don't need one

1529
01:05:00,130 --> 01:04:57,319
because everything you needed military

1530
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:00,140
surplus is at main military comm that's

1531
01:05:05,380 --> 01:05:03,290
ma i n e military comm one of the last

1532
01:05:07,569 --> 01:05:05,390
surviving true military surplus storage

1533
01:05:09,970 --> 01:05:07,579
in the country go online now to main

1534
01:05:11,740 --> 01:05:09,980
military comm and discover a source for

1535
01:05:14,049 --> 01:05:11,750
hard-to-find surplus items at true

1536
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surplus prices surplus gun cleaning kits

1537
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1538
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as long as 1199 see our huge selection

1539
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1540
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1541
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1542
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1543
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1544
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1545
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1546
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1547
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1548
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1549
01:05:44,470 --> 01:05:42,559
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1550
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:44,480
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1551
01:05:50,500 --> 01:05:47,210
seven nine main military comm the main

1552
01:05:52,359 --> 01:05:50,510
name in military supply when you hear

1553
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:52,369
the words water purification what comes

1554
01:05:56,530 --> 01:05:53,930
to mind if it's berkey water

1555
01:05:58,299 --> 01:05:56,540
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1556
01:06:00,849 --> 01:05:58,309
you did you know that over sixty percent

1557
01:06:03,069 --> 01:06:00,859
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1558
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1559
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1560
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1561
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1562
01:06:12,670 --> 01:06:10,579
municipal water these filters are

1563
01:06:14,650 --> 01:06:12,680
powerful enough to purify stagnant pond

1564
01:06:16,930 --> 01:06:14,660
water making them perfect for rainwater

1565
01:06:18,670 --> 01:06:16,940
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1566
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:18,680
the largest systems big berkey water

1567
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1568
01:06:25,210 --> 01:06:23,059
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1569
01:06:27,460 --> 01:06:25,220
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1570
01:06:29,500 --> 01:06:27,470
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1571
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:29,510
berkey water filters calm would like to

1572
01:06:34,809 --> 01:06:32,210
offer GCN listeners five percent off all

1573
01:06:37,630 --> 01:06:34,819
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1574
01:06:40,150 --> 01:06:37,640
orders over $50 free of charge visit big

1575
01:06:42,819 --> 01:06:40,160
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1576
01:06:44,559 --> 01:06:42,829
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1577
01:06:46,930 --> 01:06:44,569
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1578
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:46,940
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1579
01:06:54,370 --> 01:06:51,890
ber k eat why today bringing you the

1580
01:06:55,450 --> 01:06:54,380
best in alternative talk radio for over

1581
01:07:03,290 --> 01:06:55,460
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1582
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:03,300
GCN's great top radio starts here we

1583
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:05,130
want to hear from you if you have a

1584
01:07:10,730 --> 01:07:06,930
comment or question about the pair cast

1585
01:07:14,270 --> 01:07:10,740
send it to News at Lapera cast calm

1586
01:07:15,860 --> 01:07:14,280
that's news at Lapera cast calm and

1587
01:07:18,580 --> 01:07:15,870
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1588
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1589
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:21,960
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1590
01:07:30,620 --> 01:07:28,290
forum dot the para cast com I stand for

1591
01:07:32,690 --> 01:07:30,630
joining us we're talking with Chris

1592
01:07:34,820 --> 01:07:32,700
O'Brien who's the co-host this week I'm

1593
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:34,830
gene steinberger in the para cast and

1594
01:07:39,260 --> 01:07:37,050
now we're trying to look at the

1595
01:07:42,770 --> 01:07:39,270
background here where you remember one

1596
01:07:44,330 --> 01:07:42,780
in instance and it becomes two and you

1597
01:07:47,660 --> 01:07:44,340
were going on with the background for

1598
01:07:49,340 --> 01:07:47,670
this it was two different instances it

1599
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:49,350
wasn't this thing that said we didn't

1600
01:07:53,390 --> 01:07:51,570
remember it twice it actually occurred

1601
01:07:55,850 --> 01:07:53,400
because the tape recorder which is not

1602
01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:55,860
subject to the effects of the stirring

1603
01:07:59,660 --> 01:07:57,690
lobe you see magnet field was recording

1604
01:08:01,490 --> 01:07:59,670
the whole time and you hear everything

1605
01:08:04,220 --> 01:08:01,500
we say on there and so there's no lost

1606
01:08:05,660 --> 01:08:04,230
time there's no missing time it's just

1607
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:05,670
that we don't remember it in other words

1608
01:08:12,290 --> 01:08:08,250
there is a question too isn't missing

1609
01:08:14,330 --> 01:08:12,300
time fundamentally losing your memory of

1610
01:08:17,090 --> 01:08:14,340
what might have happened wouldn't that

1611
01:08:18,500 --> 01:08:17,100
be the same thing well yeah it certainly

1612
01:08:20,480 --> 01:08:18,510
could be yes it certainly could be I

1613
01:08:23,180 --> 01:08:20,490
don't know if the mechanism is the same

1614
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:23,190
or not because allegedly according to

1615
01:08:28,070 --> 01:08:25,170
the literature of the current belief

1616
01:08:29,900 --> 01:08:28,080
system this is your abducted we don't

1617
01:08:31,490 --> 01:08:29,910
know if there is an active field with a

1618
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:31,500
you know a craft with a magnetic field

1619
01:08:34,099 --> 01:08:32,370
it could be doing this

1620
01:08:36,140 --> 01:08:34,109
we just don't know nobody studied all I

1621
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:36,150
can talk about from the standpoint of

1622
01:08:41,390 --> 01:08:38,850
science is what we recorded and saw it

1623
01:08:42,260 --> 01:08:41,400
might be I guess to it it might not it's

1624
01:08:44,599 --> 01:08:42,270
hard to say

1625
01:08:47,090 --> 01:08:44,609
so maybe those you didn't record it

1626
01:08:49,070 --> 01:08:47,100
maybe you would suddenly have a missing

1627
01:08:53,059 --> 01:08:49,080
time episode that you couldn't pinpoint

1628
01:08:54,740 --> 01:08:53,069
or explain sure you hear you could did

1629
01:08:57,880 --> 01:08:54,750
you have your time clock set up did you

1630
01:09:00,470 --> 01:08:57,890
have your baseline time timecode going

1631
01:09:03,110 --> 01:09:00,480
okay so there's no question I mean it's

1632
01:09:04,940 --> 01:09:03,120
being recorded with the the graphic and

1633
01:09:06,980 --> 01:09:04,950
the magnetic signal and we were getting

1634
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:06,990
strong extremely low-frequency magnetic

1635
01:09:12,899 --> 01:09:08,770
signals that

1636
01:09:14,970 --> 01:09:12,909
we're just fascinating because when one

1637
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:14,980
of these they were clearly showing off

1638
01:09:20,669 --> 01:09:17,170
and it turned that they were showing off

1639
01:09:22,380 --> 01:09:20,679
to gigantic lighted panels on the top of

1640
01:09:26,999 --> 01:09:22,390
a scooter peak that were being sequence

1641
01:09:28,380 --> 01:09:27,009
to such high speed we're getting ahead

1642
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:28,390
of ourselves here a little bit let's go

1643
01:09:32,939 --> 01:09:30,370
ahead and set the stage where were you

1644
01:09:35,370 --> 01:09:32,949
in relation to a score peak how far away

1645
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:35,380
how much time elapsed before these

1646
01:09:38,519 --> 01:09:37,210
objects started interacting when did you

1647
01:09:40,890 --> 01:09:38,529
first notice that there were lighted

1648
01:09:44,459 --> 01:09:40,900
panels let's set it up a little bit okay

1649
01:09:47,910 --> 01:09:44,469
just a minute let me July 27th I'm

1650
01:09:50,550 --> 01:09:47,920
trying to get you know July 19th ok now

1651
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:50,560
let me tell you I'm looking at my photo

1652
01:09:57,090 --> 01:09:53,650
log here and we were on highway

1653
01:09:58,260 --> 01:09:57,100
let's see where there are two cases I'll

1654
01:10:00,600 --> 01:09:58,270
make sure I'm not giving the date on the

1655
01:10:03,300 --> 01:10:00,610
road okay on the one there we were on

1656
01:10:07,020 --> 01:10:03,310
Highway 380 at thirty one point six

1657
01:10:09,330 --> 01:10:07,030
miles east of Interstate Highway 25 and

1658
01:10:12,450 --> 01:10:09,340
we were two hundred and nineteen point

1659
01:10:14,340 --> 01:10:12,460
eight miles west of the daytime event of

1660
01:10:17,250 --> 01:10:14,350
the same day that I mentioned earlier

1661
01:10:20,430 --> 01:10:17,260
and we were forty two point seven miles

1662
01:10:22,229 --> 01:10:20,440
out of Socorro New Mexico and we were

1663
01:10:25,410 --> 01:10:22,239
thirty four point three miles west of

1664
01:10:28,140 --> 01:10:25,420
the intersection of 380 and highway 54

1665
01:10:29,010 --> 01:10:28,150
in Cadiz so so New Mexico which is on

1666
01:10:30,540 --> 01:10:29,020
the north edge of the white sands

1667
01:10:32,070 --> 01:10:30,550
proving ground where we were and how far

1668
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:32,080
away from what score peak were you at

1669
01:10:36,180 --> 01:10:34,449
this point well we don't know we haven't

1670
01:10:38,070 --> 01:10:36,190
measured the exact it was really really

1671
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:38,080
pretty close because these things were I

1672
01:10:41,700 --> 01:10:39,850
forget we haven't we have that in the

1673
01:10:43,380 --> 01:10:41,710
data because these objects would

1674
01:10:47,220 --> 01:10:43,390
maneuver right in front of the panel's

1675
01:10:49,470 --> 01:10:47,230
and we were able to determine there was

1676
01:10:53,399 --> 01:10:49,480
a strong seven second sound awesome

1677
01:10:54,830 --> 01:10:53,409
sound that we recorded repeatedly and it

1678
01:10:57,479 --> 01:10:54,840
only occurred you couldn't hear anything

1679
01:10:59,100 --> 01:10:57,489
except it was this sound would come on

1680
01:11:01,439 --> 01:10:59,110
three and a half seconds before the

1681
01:11:03,030 --> 01:11:01,449
reversal of direction and continue for

1682
01:11:04,530 --> 01:11:03,040
three and a half seconds after the

1683
01:11:06,149 --> 01:11:04,540
reversal direction this is not based on

1684
01:11:07,979 --> 01:11:06,159
our guesswork it's based on the actual

1685
01:11:10,229 --> 01:11:07,989
recordings and film that we have now

1686
01:11:11,270 --> 01:11:10,239
well first of all you've mentioned these

1687
01:11:12,770 --> 01:11:11,280
panels a

1688
01:11:14,570 --> 01:11:12,780
our listeners are I think might be a

1689
01:11:17,390 --> 01:11:14,580
little confused at this point we haven't

1690
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:17,400
really gone into what the panels were

1691
01:11:22,610 --> 01:11:19,530
why don't you why don't you nope okay

1692
01:11:24,950 --> 01:11:22,620
bring everybody if you were to pass by

1693
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:24,960
there or pull up an image of a scooter

1694
01:11:28,580 --> 01:11:26,610
peak if there are any on the internet I

1695
01:11:30,170 --> 01:11:28,590
haven't checked you even see that right

1696
01:11:31,820 --> 01:11:30,180
they weren't right at the top but a

1697
01:11:33,710 --> 01:11:31,830
little way down from the top they would

1698
01:11:34,550 --> 01:11:33,720
have to be I suppose several miles and

1699
01:11:35,870 --> 01:11:34,560
and but I don't know they went

1700
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:35,880
completely around the top they were

1701
01:11:39,890 --> 01:11:37,770
certainly on our slide to the northwest

1702
01:11:42,440 --> 01:11:39,900
side and on the north side okay

1703
01:11:44,330 --> 01:11:42,450
these panels must have been gigantic I

1704
01:11:46,310 --> 01:11:44,340
would say that later they could have

1705
01:11:48,290 --> 01:11:46,320
been a hundred feet high each one and

1706
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:48,300
they were they were rectangular or

1707
01:11:53,060 --> 01:11:50,730
square and they had clearly been built

1708
01:11:54,590 --> 01:11:53,070
there for the purpose of communicating

1709
01:11:57,980 --> 01:11:54,600
with these objects in fact we joked

1710
01:12:00,530 --> 01:11:57,990
about some Air Force colonel watching

1711
01:12:03,170 --> 01:12:00,540
Close Encounters of the Third Kind we

1712
01:12:05,630 --> 01:12:03,180
didn't come out the December before and

1713
01:12:07,610 --> 01:12:05,640
decided wait hey let's have a try at it

1714
01:12:09,260 --> 01:12:07,620
and since they had an order to get

1715
01:12:11,780 --> 01:12:09,270
intelligence by any means possible why

1716
01:12:13,910 --> 01:12:11,790
not try to communicate well maybe they

1717
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:13,920
had that idea even beforehand because as

1718
01:12:19,850 --> 01:12:17,010
it turns out late that year the late

1719
01:12:22,130 --> 01:12:19,860
dick Hall Richard Hall well-known UFO

1720
01:12:24,380 --> 01:12:22,140
researcher he was a close friend of the

1721
01:12:26,290 --> 01:12:24,390
late Donald Akiho we wrote those early

1722
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:26,300
books on UFOs that were so interesting

1723
01:12:32,570 --> 01:12:29,730
Don Quijote told him he said that in the

1724
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:32,580
summer of 1978 the US government planned

1725
01:12:38,750 --> 01:12:35,040
to attempt to communicate with aliens

1726
01:12:40,610 --> 01:12:38,760
operating UFOs now last question please

1727
01:12:42,710 --> 01:12:40,620
let me ask you a fast question about

1728
01:12:46,250 --> 01:12:42,720
Donald Kehoe sure did major Keyhoe

1729
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:46,260
mention this in any of his books oh no

1730
01:12:49,220 --> 01:12:47,760
he didn't have any books at this time

1731
01:12:50,990 --> 01:12:49,230
here this is 19 stymie he had quit

1732
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:51,000
writing books by this time okay they

1733
01:12:54,950 --> 01:12:52,410
told Richard he said that a high up

1734
01:12:56,660 --> 01:12:54,960
source on the government you know he was

1735
01:12:58,760 --> 01:12:56,670
Keolis was famous for this they're

1736
01:13:00,740 --> 01:12:58,770
having a lot of high of contacts and he

1737
01:13:02,690 --> 01:13:00,750
had been a major in the Marine Corps

1738
01:13:05,660 --> 01:13:02,700
before he retired but that was years

1739
01:13:07,580 --> 01:13:05,670
before and but he hadn't high up

1740
01:13:09,740 --> 01:13:07,590
contacts it I guess he had maintained

1741
01:13:12,350 --> 01:13:09,750
and that's what he told Richard Richard

1742
01:13:13,700 --> 01:13:12,360
did not know about this you know when he

1743
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:13,710
came out with it we had not come out

1744
01:13:20,420 --> 01:13:18,690
with this publicly and Richard however

1745
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:20,430
came out and said that this is what

1746
01:13:24,229 --> 01:13:22,890
Kehoe had told him he had said this in

1747
01:13:27,529 --> 01:13:24,239
the context of

1748
01:13:29,930 --> 01:13:27,539
mentioning that 1978 was one of the

1749
01:13:32,779 --> 01:13:29,940
biggest flap years a possibly the

1750
01:13:34,100 --> 01:13:32,789
biggest flap in the history of UFOs he

1751
01:13:36,020 --> 01:13:34,110
said was certainly the case in other

1752
01:13:38,899 --> 01:13:36,030
countries but that the data in the u.s.

1753
01:13:40,549 --> 01:13:38,909
also looked like it was on par perhaps

1754
01:13:42,140 --> 01:13:40,559
with the rest of the world and he

1755
01:13:43,879 --> 01:13:42,150
mentioned it in that context and not

1756
01:13:46,609 --> 01:13:43,889
knowing that of course that we had

1757
01:13:47,959 --> 01:13:46,619
encountered this actual contact going on

1758
01:13:50,750 --> 01:13:47,969
which we think was possibly a first

1759
01:13:53,629 --> 01:13:50,760
contact at least with whatever kind of

1760
01:13:55,819 --> 01:13:53,639
intelligences this might have been is

1761
01:13:58,339 --> 01:13:55,829
there any documentation from Richard

1762
01:13:59,830 --> 01:13:58,349
Hall about what went on here with his

1763
01:14:04,520 --> 01:13:59,840
interaction with major Keyhoe

1764
01:14:06,859 --> 01:14:04,530
you have to ask the perhaps condors and

1765
01:14:08,870 --> 01:14:06,869
with his post personal friends I I don't

1766
01:14:11,419 --> 01:14:08,880
know how you would find out about this

1767
01:14:13,970 --> 01:14:11,429
it was in one of the UFO publications -

1768
01:14:16,910 --> 01:14:13,980
one of the I hope to come across it

1769
01:14:18,770 --> 01:14:16,920
again I'm pretty sure that although I

1770
01:14:20,569 --> 01:14:18,780
think I saw this somewhere on the in I'm

1771
01:14:23,299 --> 01:14:20,579
pretty sure I saw it in physical print

1772
01:14:25,250 --> 01:14:23,309
and in some UFO publication it possibly

1773
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:25,260
that was there a newsstand publication

1774
01:14:30,319 --> 01:14:28,530
back out as late as 78 79 80 there were

1775
01:14:34,060 --> 01:14:30,329
some of these publications but they

1776
01:14:37,069 --> 01:14:34,070
tended to be published by as they say

1777
01:14:38,660 --> 01:14:37,079
organizations it weren't so pleased with

1778
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:38,670
presenting accurate information they

1779
01:14:44,299 --> 01:14:42,210
were just blushers well the only one I

1780
01:14:47,989 --> 01:14:44,309
know was it was called official UFO and

1781
01:14:49,910 --> 01:14:47,999
I think they were pretty much at you

1782
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:49,920
know whatever was was pitched at him

1783
01:14:54,259 --> 01:14:52,170
that they could could use I think that

1784
01:14:55,759 --> 01:14:54,269
was the one I think Meyer fast was the

1785
01:14:59,029 --> 01:14:55,769
owner of that particular publication

1786
01:15:01,910 --> 01:14:59,039
official UFO it was junk books basically

1787
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:01,920
they would get advances cash advances

1788
01:15:05,270 --> 01:15:03,449
from distributors for a certain number

1789
01:15:08,189 --> 01:15:05,280
of books and they would live on their

1790
01:15:10,739 --> 01:15:08,199
cash advances so they would put books

1791
01:15:12,299 --> 01:15:10,749
magazine shut magazine that existed for

1792
01:15:13,739 --> 01:15:12,309
years they call them a bloke slope they

1793
01:15:15,509 --> 01:15:13,749
call them books in those days the

1794
01:15:17,850 --> 01:15:15,519
publishers they say you know we'll get

1795
01:15:20,189 --> 01:15:17,860
ten books and get ten advances you know

1796
01:15:25,169 --> 01:15:20,199
I bet you're one of our podcast forum

1797
01:15:26,969 --> 01:15:25,179
visitors now as we speak I'll tell you

1798
01:15:29,580 --> 01:15:26,979
what before they dive in before we dive

1799
01:15:31,319 --> 01:15:29,590
in further into what happened here we

1800
01:15:34,649 --> 01:15:31,329
have Ray Stanford we're talking about

1801
01:15:36,870 --> 01:15:34,659
UFO encounters in and around White Sands

1802
01:15:39,419 --> 01:15:36,880
New Mexico starting in Texas and about

1803
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:39,429
the aftermath of that the co-host is

1804
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:42,130
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1901
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1902
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1903
01:20:05,630 --> 01:20:02,970
this is Philip rod know you're listening

1904
01:20:09,350 --> 01:20:05,640
to parent as one of the most informative

1905
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:09,360
shows out there so listen closely we

1906
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:11,130
have another session with race Stanford

1907
01:20:16,460 --> 01:20:14,610
we're talking about some incredible UFO

1908
01:20:18,740 --> 01:20:16,470
encounters in which he participated in

1909
01:20:21,410 --> 01:20:18,750
which he got some interesting sorts of

1910
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:21,420
evidence Chris O'Brien's the co-host I'm

1911
01:20:25,370 --> 01:20:23,970
gene Steinberger in the power cast Chris

1912
01:20:27,890 --> 01:20:25,380
you want to follow up with Ray about

1913
01:20:30,140 --> 01:20:27,900
this stuff ok so just just to just to

1914
01:20:31,910 --> 01:20:30,150
make sure that we get a kind of a visual

1915
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:31,920
idea of what's going on you're

1916
01:20:35,930 --> 01:20:34,170
approximately I think I looked at a map

1917
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:35,940
at one point when you told me the story

1918
01:20:40,820 --> 01:20:38,010
you're about seven I think or so miles

1919
01:20:42,380 --> 01:20:40,830
away just outside of the boundary of the

1920
01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:42,390
white sands proving grounds you were

1921
01:20:47,300 --> 01:20:45,600
looking at or score peak you all of a

1922
01:20:51,020 --> 01:20:47,310
sudden or aware of these large about

1923
01:20:52,820 --> 01:20:51,030
hundred foot high and who knows how long

1924
01:20:54,530 --> 01:20:52,830
they were in terms of their you know

1925
01:20:56,450 --> 01:20:54,540
they went all the way around side by

1926
01:20:59,870 --> 01:20:56,460
side all the way around the peak right

1927
01:21:01,070 --> 01:20:59,880
now here so let me mention this if you

1928
01:21:02,690 --> 01:21:01,080
had been driving down there you would

1929
01:21:05,510 --> 01:21:02,700
have thought it was a continuous weird

1930
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:05,520
band that had an odd drop-off you know

1931
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:07,050
when you're at these new traffic lights

1932
01:21:10,610 --> 01:21:08,610
they're like let's call it for an L lens

1933
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:10,620
you get off the side you can't see them

1934
01:21:14,150 --> 01:21:12,690
and if they don't get real bright with

1935
01:21:16,250 --> 01:21:14,160
these panels were that way

1936
01:21:18,050 --> 01:21:16,260
they got sharply dim as they went around

1937
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:18,060
the thing and apparently they had that

1938
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:20,610
kind of a character to them but as you

1939
01:21:24,950 --> 01:21:21,810
looked at him you just sworn they were

1940
01:21:26,480 --> 01:21:24,960
continuous but my wife happened to turn

1941
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:26,490
and see them through the side of her

1942
01:21:29,780 --> 01:21:27,930
eyes which more sensitive and she said

1943
01:21:32,480 --> 01:21:29,790
hey guys those aren't continuous those

1944
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:32,490
things for sequencing and we didn't

1945
01:21:34,910 --> 01:21:33,930
believe it at first but we turned and

1946
01:21:37,580 --> 01:21:34,920
tell them from the side and they were

1947
01:21:39,650 --> 01:21:37,590
and we took different exposures of

1948
01:21:41,300 --> 01:21:39,660
different time durations and we proved

1949
01:21:42,980 --> 01:21:41,310
conclusively we have photographs showing

1950
01:21:45,380 --> 01:21:42,990
you know the breaks in them as they're

1951
01:21:47,090 --> 01:21:45,390
sequencing well okay well done other

1952
01:21:49,190 --> 01:21:47,100
words they didn't want to be seen as

1953
01:21:50,990 --> 01:21:49,200
something sequencing up there I think by

1954
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:51,000
the traffic passing by but they were

1955
01:21:54,740 --> 01:21:52,530
they were sequencing all the while and I

1956
01:21:56,660 --> 01:21:54,750
suspect there was also data on the

1957
01:21:58,820 --> 01:21:56,670
individual count I could be wrong and

1958
01:22:01,700 --> 01:21:58,830
let me say that I think that that big

1959
01:22:03,350 --> 01:22:01,710
white appearance we saw it may I take a

1960
01:22:05,420 --> 01:22:03,360
moment and explain what we

1961
01:22:07,670 --> 01:22:05,430
the do stack turret might have happened

1962
01:22:10,370 --> 01:22:07,680
that caused him to turn toward us and

1963
01:22:12,290 --> 01:22:10,380
show that absolutely okay

1964
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:12,300
we weren't new arrivals I mean we driven

1965
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:14,010
up there and all of a sudden we saw this

1966
01:22:19,940 --> 01:22:17,010
thing and it didn't take us long to stop

1967
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:19,950
the van get out and start getting the

1968
01:22:23,300 --> 01:22:20,730
equipment all ready

1969
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:23,310
I was out deploying the things but it

1970
01:22:28,370 --> 01:22:26,730
I'm pretty fast and my wife screams to

1971
01:22:30,290 --> 01:22:28,380
spectrum get a spectrum well they had

1972
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:30,300
made this turn and showed this

1973
01:22:37,700 --> 01:22:33,690
incredible mysterious sharp-edged huge

1974
01:22:39,290 --> 01:22:37,710
white shape and oval and we think

1975
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:39,300
there's a serious possibility this

1976
01:22:43,940 --> 01:22:41,130
normally was programmed to be turned

1977
01:22:46,460 --> 01:22:43,950
toward the source interested in them on

1978
01:22:49,490 --> 01:22:46,470
the peaks but that somehow but this is

1979
01:22:53,570 --> 01:22:49,500
possibly sigh responsive mind about

1980
01:22:55,730 --> 01:22:53,580
responsive technology as a lot of the

1981
01:22:57,890 --> 01:22:55,740
proportion was almost convinced as it is

1982
01:23:00,200 --> 01:22:57,900
and then he had locked on to us as the

1983
01:23:02,210 --> 01:23:00,210
newcomers and it took them a while to

1984
01:23:03,620 --> 01:23:02,220
realize and a second time it flipped

1985
01:23:05,690 --> 01:23:03,630
back on us that we didn't remember but

1986
01:23:07,460 --> 01:23:05,700
then they stopped it never happened

1987
01:23:09,110 --> 01:23:07,470
again because I think they realized they

1988
01:23:10,490 --> 01:23:09,120
were picking up on these jerks on the

1989
01:23:12,650 --> 01:23:10,500
highway instead of the government people

1990
01:23:15,230 --> 01:23:12,660
on the beach that's it that's a bit of a

1991
01:23:17,270 --> 01:23:15,240
stretch it's kind of hard to to just

1992
01:23:18,620 --> 01:23:17,280
accept that at face value but you know

1993
01:23:20,630 --> 01:23:18,630
of course not being there it's hard for

1994
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:20,640
me to be judgmental about that but

1995
01:23:23,810 --> 01:23:21,690
that's a very interesting observation

1996
01:23:25,370 --> 01:23:23,820
what do you mean by straight I mean what

1997
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:25,380
parties is a stretch for you well in

1998
01:23:30,830 --> 01:23:27,810
terms of you of thinking that you were

1999
01:23:32,660 --> 01:23:30,840
somehow involved that they recognized

2000
01:23:34,870 --> 01:23:32,670
you the pilots of these craft that they

2001
01:23:37,250 --> 01:23:34,880
recognized you and somehow they were

2002
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:37,260
doing something for your benefit I I

2003
01:23:41,180 --> 01:23:39,570
think I think I didn't know I'd never

2004
01:23:43,550 --> 01:23:41,190
said that and nor did they do that for a

2005
01:23:49,910 --> 01:23:43,560
benefit we believe they locked onto our

2006
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:49,920
thoughts UFOs you know people say that's

2007
01:23:54,260 --> 01:23:52,170
that's your in other words you you do

2008
01:23:59,210 --> 01:23:54,270
surmise this this is your hypothesis

2009
01:24:01,960 --> 01:23:59,220
they seek you out you just happened to

2010
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:01,970
be there they would have sought out or

2011
01:24:07,460 --> 01:24:05,010
whoever was there I think I think

2012
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:07,470
they're watching a sensor lock don't to

2013
01:24:11,390 --> 01:24:08,970
escape early and turn that panel own

2014
01:24:13,370 --> 01:24:11,400
once and in a shorter time later on

2015
01:24:16,220 --> 01:24:13,380
that's all I think that they quickly

2016
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:16,230
realized the mistake probably and put it

2017
01:24:19,370 --> 01:24:17,130
over at white

2018
01:24:21,379 --> 01:24:19,380
because let me put it in the temple

2019
01:24:23,689 --> 01:24:21,389
context what I described to you each

2020
01:24:25,580 --> 01:24:23,699
event only happened you know short

2021
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:25,590
number of seconds when this when we saw

2022
01:24:32,950 --> 01:24:29,010
this but these objects did maneuvering

2023
01:24:35,570 --> 01:24:32,960
for the light system up on that peak for

2024
01:24:37,129 --> 01:24:35,580
35 minutes I don't know how long didn't

2025
01:24:38,959 --> 01:24:37,139
do until we got there but we we

2026
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:38,969
monitored it and filmed it and recorded

2027
01:24:43,879 --> 01:24:42,330
it for 35 minutes it was only a few

2028
01:24:45,709 --> 01:24:43,889
seconds the first time or I would have

2029
01:24:47,750 --> 01:24:45,719
gotten the spectrum and a few seconds

2030
01:24:50,750 --> 01:24:47,760
for the second time and that was all and

2031
01:24:53,300 --> 01:24:50,760
so it suggests an accident to us okay

2032
01:24:54,709 --> 01:24:53,310
ray what does the film show if we look

2033
01:24:57,830 --> 01:24:54,719
at the film what are we seeing

2034
01:24:59,840 --> 01:24:57,840
we don't have movie film the aasa' on

2035
01:25:01,790 --> 01:24:59,850
that film in there of course was when

2036
01:25:04,340 --> 01:25:01,800
he's got the filters in zone so far

2037
01:25:06,830 --> 01:25:04,350
there's only 25 a si and we would have

2038
01:25:09,890 --> 01:25:06,840
gotten the white object but we didn't I

2039
01:25:12,530 --> 01:25:09,900
was deploying beg dollar Grammy we what

2040
01:25:14,660 --> 01:25:12,540
we got was light spectra which was very

2041
01:25:16,610 --> 01:25:14,670
important we did get light Spectre and

2042
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:16,620
of both of the objects in their red face

2043
01:25:22,129 --> 01:25:19,650
and imal taneous li now what is really

2044
01:25:24,950 --> 01:25:22,139
exciting to me from the standpoint of

2045
01:25:27,830 --> 01:25:24,960
physics about this is that it was first

2046
01:25:31,610 --> 01:25:27,840
place was the kind of light that no

2047
01:25:35,540 --> 01:25:31,620
known aircraft would emit it was one

2048
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:35,550
single line light that is to say one

2049
01:25:44,030 --> 01:25:40,050
exact wavelength of light in the in the

2050
01:25:46,910 --> 01:25:44,040
near-infrared red spectrum and this

2051
01:25:49,729 --> 01:25:46,920
infrared film or standard film no no no

2052
01:25:52,340 --> 01:25:49,739
no no we're using standard we were using

2053
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:52,350
we we think now we should have been

2054
01:25:59,240 --> 01:25:55,290
using a high as a color film ISO color

2055
01:26:02,840 --> 01:25:59,250
him but the our physicist had talked us

2056
01:26:05,419 --> 01:26:02,850
into using black and white tracks film I

2057
01:26:07,310 --> 01:26:05,429
believe it was and which my opinion was

2058
01:26:09,140 --> 01:26:07,320
a mistake it but I've been much every

2059
01:26:11,750 --> 01:26:09,150
with color but he said that the lines

2060
01:26:14,300 --> 01:26:11,760
might be easier to measure and I bleed

2061
01:26:16,070 --> 01:26:14,310
into each other with this this type of

2062
01:26:20,870 --> 01:26:16,080
film and he might have been right but in

2063
01:26:23,660 --> 01:26:20,880
any case we got spectra and the single

2064
01:26:25,910 --> 01:26:23,670
line of light is emitted when an atom

2065
01:26:27,919 --> 01:26:25,920
within the electrons of an atom get

2066
01:26:30,620 --> 01:26:27,929
energy pumped so much that they can't

2067
01:26:33,350 --> 01:26:30,630
remain where they normally are

2068
01:26:35,419 --> 01:26:33,360
and they pop out to an outer energy

2069
01:26:37,910 --> 01:26:35,429
shell that they're not normally in and

2070
01:26:40,370 --> 01:26:37,920
that nature Institute forbid and there's

2071
01:26:44,540 --> 01:26:40,380
the tendency to drop back in but to drop

2072
01:26:47,180 --> 01:26:44,550
back in they have to emit as photons the

2073
01:26:49,700 --> 01:26:47,190
energy that they had absorbed and so

2074
01:26:51,860 --> 01:26:49,710
when they dropped back they met a single

2075
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:51,870
discrete wavelength of light that we

2076
01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:53,730
call single line why because it produces

2077
01:26:58,610 --> 01:26:56,370
a single line on the spectrum and this

2078
01:27:00,800 --> 01:26:58,620
in itself could not have resulted from

2079
01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:00,810
photographing any aircraft the

2080
01:27:04,129 --> 01:27:02,370
conditional aircraft they're probably

2081
01:27:06,770 --> 01:27:04,139
even experimental aircraft in the sky at

2082
01:27:07,970 --> 01:27:06,780
least at that time now but there was a

2083
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:07,980
better than that there was icing on the

2084
01:27:12,879 --> 01:27:10,530
cake that single line displayed a

2085
01:27:16,070 --> 01:27:12,889
phenomenon called line splitting and

2086
01:27:19,189 --> 01:27:16,080
there are two things and only two things

2087
01:27:21,470 --> 01:27:19,199
that can produce line splitting one is

2088
01:27:22,899 --> 01:27:21,480
that the light is being emitted in the

2089
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:22,909
presence of a very strong

2090
01:27:28,370 --> 01:27:26,250
electromagnetic field or that it is

2091
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:28,380
being produced in the presence of a very

2092
01:27:34,399 --> 01:27:32,370
strong electrical field and it happens

2093
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:34,409
that magneto had Namek repulsion

2094
01:27:40,070 --> 01:27:38,130
produces both conditions so here we felt

2095
01:27:44,030 --> 01:27:40,080
that we had a spectacle spectral

2096
01:27:45,260 --> 01:27:44,040
confirmation of a very strong electrical

2097
01:27:47,540 --> 01:27:45,270
feeling and probably a very strong

2098
01:27:49,370 --> 01:27:47,550
magnetic field anyway it broke the

2099
01:27:51,050 --> 01:27:49,380
single line down into I'm trying to

2100
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:51,060
remember is either four or six

2101
01:27:55,970 --> 01:27:53,250
components and looked at in 12 it's four

2102
01:27:58,879 --> 01:27:55,980
or six components and so this makes it

2103
01:28:03,770 --> 01:27:58,889
not only exotic it Masek exotic to the

2104
01:28:05,689 --> 01:28:03,780
nth degree because it shows either one

2105
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:05,699
or both of these effects of line

2106
01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:08,730
splitting of a single line of light and

2107
01:28:13,790 --> 01:28:11,250
thus the evidence of the spectra is that

2108
01:28:16,430 --> 01:28:13,800
absolutely they show us that something

2109
01:28:19,100 --> 01:28:16,440
most extraordinary was emitting that

2110
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:19,110
light in n ray you you you were going to

2111
01:28:25,220 --> 01:28:22,290
allow us to go ahead and post this this

2112
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:25,230
this data on the podcast forum website

2113
01:28:31,129 --> 01:28:28,850
correct I'm gonna let you post some

2114
01:28:33,169 --> 01:28:31,139
pictures that was taken with a 300

2115
01:28:35,750 --> 01:28:33,179
millimeter telephoto on color film of

2116
01:28:37,879 --> 01:28:35,760
the object when what was interesting was

2117
01:28:39,649 --> 01:28:37,889
that at one point these objects had let

2118
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:39,659
me let me kind of ladies that let's

2119
01:28:43,690 --> 01:28:42,090
suppose that you're in the way up high

2120
01:28:45,370 --> 01:28:43,700
looking down on the school

2121
01:28:48,190 --> 01:28:45,380
peak and us parked on the highway to the

2122
01:28:51,370 --> 01:28:48,200
northeast of there and if you look off

2123
01:28:55,630 --> 01:28:51,380
to the northwest out o as the crow flies

2124
01:28:57,580 --> 01:28:55,640
probably know 38 to 41 miles there

2125
01:28:58,570 --> 01:28:57,590
Socorro New Mexico that's not an

2126
01:29:00,430 --> 01:28:58,580
integrity reason on the top of my head

2127
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:00,440
but its approximate okay what would

2128
01:29:05,410 --> 01:29:02,210
happen is that these objects would

2129
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:05,420
appear right within a short distance of

2130
01:29:09,220 --> 01:29:07,370
the panel's in fact sometimes you would

2131
01:29:11,650 --> 01:29:09,230
swear you know they were within you know

2132
01:29:13,930 --> 01:29:11,660
a length of the object or two from the

2133
01:29:15,910 --> 01:29:13,940
pounce forgiving example one would

2134
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:15,920
appear high up in the sky and one would

2135
01:29:19,330 --> 01:29:17,570
fear very low almost down toward the

2136
01:29:20,980 --> 01:29:19,340
base the mountain and they would head

2137
01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:20,990
part each other like they were gonna hit

2138
01:29:24,430 --> 01:29:23,090
and they did a movie or what we'll have

2139
01:29:26,650 --> 01:29:24,440
to talk about that they moved at high

2140
01:29:28,900 --> 01:29:26,660
speed and suddenly within a few

2141
01:29:30,340 --> 01:29:28,910
diameters of each other both have made a

2142
01:29:31,480 --> 01:29:30,350
right angle turn and are moving off

2143
01:29:33,130 --> 01:29:31,490
toward Socorro

2144
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I tell you what we thought about that in

2145
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a moment we have race Stanford our

2146
01:29:40,690 --> 01:29:37,400
co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm Jean

2147
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Steinberg you're in the para cast

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2239
01:34:32,020 --> 01:34:29,320
ray Stanford joining us we're talking

2240
01:34:33,910 --> 01:34:32,030
about this amazing series of UFO

2241
01:34:36,820 --> 01:34:33,920
sightings and I want to remind you we

2242
01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:36,830
have forum vApp our cast comm and we

2243
01:34:40,479 --> 01:34:39,050
have some stuff that will be posted by

2244
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the time you hear this show and then

2245
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you're free to comment on it or not ray

2246
01:34:49,330 --> 01:34:46,940
will be continuing to explain what he

2247
01:34:51,669 --> 01:34:49,340
has Chris O'Brien is the co-host I'm

2248
01:34:54,160 --> 01:34:51,679
gene Steinberg during the para cast okay

2249
01:34:56,590 --> 01:34:54,170
so where are we here the objects are

2250
01:34:58,300 --> 01:34:56,600
moving towards one another they moved in

2251
01:35:00,250 --> 01:34:58,310
a vertical line one moving up one move

2252
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:00,260
down toward each other and they get just

2253
01:35:04,419 --> 01:35:01,850
a few diameters of each other and

2254
01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:04,429
suddenly visually with visual instant a

2255
01:35:07,930 --> 01:35:06,530
'ti they are not moving toward each

2256
01:35:11,050 --> 01:35:07,940
other but both are moving parallel

2257
01:35:13,390 --> 01:35:11,060
courses all start Saburo and they would

2258
01:35:15,700 --> 01:35:13,400
go over to a distance that we think

2259
01:35:17,169 --> 01:35:15,710
probably was the crow and then they

2260
01:35:18,669 --> 01:35:17,179
would instantly appear back over above

2261
01:35:22,479 --> 01:35:18,679
the panel's now the interesting thing

2262
01:35:24,370 --> 01:35:22,489
was we took time exposures as they were

2263
01:35:26,530 --> 01:35:24,380
getting over near Sakura and left the

2264
01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:26,540
shutter open even though you don't see

2265
01:35:31,419 --> 01:35:28,610
it with the eye if you look carefully in

2266
01:35:33,160 --> 01:35:31,429
those shots you will see a slight streak

2267
01:35:36,610 --> 01:35:33,170
of light that goes from over there

2268
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:36,620
bicycle to right near the panels in that

2269
01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:40,010
short time of the exposure and that part

2270
01:35:43,450 --> 01:35:41,570
of the exposure sensibility once the

2271
01:35:45,430 --> 01:35:43,460
object disappeared this poser was cut

2272
01:35:47,080 --> 01:35:45,440
off so in other words within probably a

2273
01:35:49,090 --> 01:35:47,090
fraction of a second to a second when

2274
01:35:51,340 --> 01:35:49,100
the object disappear depth is in the

2275
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:51,350
score direction the shutter was closed

2276
01:35:56,650 --> 01:35:54,770
so they went that fast back over to the

2277
01:35:59,169 --> 01:35:56,660
pounce which would if I said be 30-some

2278
01:36:00,910 --> 01:35:59,179
odd miles well yeah probably a fraction

2279
01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:00,920
of a second that's smoking me fast

2280
01:36:06,250 --> 01:36:03,650
that's amazing yeah yeah he should and

2281
01:36:08,110 --> 01:36:06,260
let me let me say this that wasn't they

2282
01:36:09,459 --> 01:36:08,120
constantly for thirty five minutes they

2283
01:36:12,130 --> 01:36:09,469
were doing these kinds of maneuvers

2284
01:36:13,900 --> 01:36:12,140
another another maneuver would be that

2285
01:36:16,180 --> 01:36:13,910
they would head toward each other on a

2286
01:36:18,459 --> 01:36:16,190
horizontal path and they would suddenly

2287
01:36:20,110 --> 01:36:18,469
on the horizontal path one would

2288
01:36:21,220 --> 01:36:20,120
suddenly be going backward the one that

2289
01:36:22,390 --> 01:36:21,230
was in the discord direct should be

2290
01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:22,400
going backward and then they would both

2291
01:36:26,260 --> 01:36:24,050
had the same distance together toward

2292
01:36:28,270 --> 01:36:26,270
Socorro you could see them get smaller

2293
01:36:29,919 --> 01:36:28,280
and smaller with distance then they

2294
01:36:31,050 --> 01:36:29,929
would visually suddenly appear right

2295
01:36:33,729 --> 01:36:31,060
over here the things even though our

2296
01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:33,739
shot or two of that shows that there is

2297
01:36:37,700 --> 01:36:36,210
a record of them moving across now

2298
01:36:40,190 --> 01:36:37,710
you sure it was the same two objects

2299
01:36:42,709 --> 01:36:40,200
that it wasn't to adopt no question no

2300
01:36:44,530 --> 01:36:42,719
question they were unique is your

2301
01:36:47,360 --> 01:36:44,540
fingerprint anyway that's a question

2302
01:36:49,459 --> 01:36:47,370
when you mention all this okay it's the

2303
01:36:52,010 --> 01:36:49,469
three of you came in your car and

2304
01:36:54,860 --> 01:36:52,020
everything are the records of anyone

2305
01:36:56,360 --> 01:36:54,870
else seeing Elvis stuff I'm not aware of

2306
01:36:58,370 --> 01:36:56,370
anybody even coming along the highway

2307
01:37:00,320 --> 01:36:58,380
that time and I did began it it was on a

2308
01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:00,330
weekday night now let me mention one

2309
01:37:04,250 --> 01:37:02,610
case there was a lady traveling on

2310
01:37:06,440 --> 01:37:04,260
highway that night they contacted me I

2311
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:06,450
went into the car and visited with the

2312
01:37:10,250 --> 01:37:08,730
people at the newspaper there that of

2313
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:10,260
course had been in contact with when I

2314
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:11,250
was there the original score'

2315
01:37:15,670 --> 01:37:12,810
investigations is all those years later

2316
01:37:19,220 --> 01:37:15,680
14 years later but through the newspaper

2317
01:37:20,959 --> 01:37:19,230
they they told me that I call this lady

2318
01:37:23,810 --> 01:37:20,969
that she had contacted him there was a

2319
01:37:25,729 --> 01:37:23,820
lady that had been drive her husband was

2320
01:37:28,520 --> 01:37:25,739
a fairly hot person in the Bureau of

2321
01:37:30,500 --> 01:37:28,530
Land Management and she had two young

2322
01:37:32,810 --> 01:37:30,510
sons that were travelling in the car

2323
01:37:34,340 --> 01:37:32,820
with her they had been traveling I think

2324
01:37:37,459 --> 01:37:34,350
they were coming from fatty cells ovum

2325
01:37:39,500 --> 01:37:37,469
and at some point I don't remember the

2326
01:37:40,670 --> 01:37:39,510
exact time if it was before we got there

2327
01:37:42,890 --> 01:37:40,680
and encountered these and they were you

2328
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:42,900
know was going on been or what but she

2329
01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:44,610
didn't report the red objects she

2330
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:46,410
reported that as she was driving along

2331
01:37:51,440 --> 01:37:48,930
there this bright object showed up in

2332
01:37:53,750 --> 01:37:51,450
her rear mirror and she turned around

2333
01:37:55,160 --> 01:37:53,760
and look the boys are sleeping she

2334
01:37:57,350 --> 01:37:55,170
turned around and look and she said it

2335
01:37:59,270 --> 01:37:57,360
looked like nothing so much as the moon

2336
01:38:01,100 --> 01:37:59,280
well the full moon was up that night but

2337
01:38:03,890 --> 01:38:01,110
this wasn't the moon and she said it had

2338
01:38:05,479 --> 01:38:03,900
it had structures kind of I guess

2339
01:38:07,850 --> 01:38:05,489
hexagonal interfacing structures on the

2340
01:38:10,070 --> 01:38:07,860
surface and it followed them for a while

2341
01:38:11,930 --> 01:38:10,080
she kept thinking maybe I'll wake the

2342
01:38:13,310 --> 01:38:11,940
kiss but then she realized that you know

2343
01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:13,320
this might be too much for him and she

2344
01:38:17,870 --> 01:38:15,690
didn't but it was a new report we report

2345
01:38:20,360 --> 01:38:17,880
this today no no they didn't report it

2346
01:38:23,120 --> 01:38:20,370
but this lady and her husband retired

2347
01:38:26,530 --> 01:38:23,130
from PLM and they moved in fact to not

2348
01:38:29,990 --> 01:38:26,540
too well into Central Texas down near

2349
01:38:32,450 --> 01:38:30,000
general Cuero Texas but which means

2350
01:38:33,830 --> 01:38:32,460
turkey in Spanish especially anyway and

2351
01:38:36,229 --> 01:38:33,840
we became good friends she and her

2352
01:38:38,510 --> 01:38:36,239
husband had had a really incredible

2353
01:38:40,340 --> 01:38:38,520
observation of a UFO and interestingly

2354
01:38:43,310 --> 01:38:40,350
also she lived that she and her husband

2355
01:38:45,260 --> 01:38:43,320
lived next door to the guy that was the

2356
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:45,270
manager I believe was the term for the

2357
01:38:48,260 --> 01:38:46,890
very large array of radio telescopes I

2358
01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:48,270
will go into that I'll get off the topic

2359
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:49,770
but you run into

2360
01:38:55,610 --> 01:38:52,890
people in this illness tournament today

2361
01:38:58,640 --> 01:38:55,620
but the separation huh

2362
01:39:02,150 --> 01:38:58,650
I said six degrees of separation the

2363
01:39:03,860 --> 01:39:02,160
small world degree world it's amazing

2364
01:39:08,360 --> 01:39:03,870
some of the coincidences out there but

2365
01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:08,370
but experience are you now how far into

2366
01:39:18,770 --> 01:39:11,370
the 35 minutes are you you've described

2367
01:39:20,930 --> 01:39:18,780
the the vertical oh okay we at one point

2368
01:39:23,150 --> 01:39:20,940
both of the others appeared some

2369
01:39:24,530 --> 01:39:23,160
distance apart and they both were moving

2370
01:39:26,030 --> 01:39:24,540
towards the girl but they're still very

2371
01:39:29,990 --> 01:39:26,040
close to us and very close to the

2372
01:39:32,210 --> 01:39:30,000
balance of the feet and I said this time

2373
01:39:34,730 --> 01:39:32,220
that one impact is going to come up and

2374
01:39:36,860 --> 01:39:34,740
dock with the other one now get this

2375
01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:36,870
this is an irrational statement and I

2376
01:39:41,510 --> 01:39:38,970
had no rational basis for it it was I

2377
01:39:44,390 --> 01:39:41,520
don't know why I said it and the funny

2378
01:39:46,760 --> 01:39:44,400
thing was that the other two of us there

2379
01:39:48,920 --> 01:39:46,770
fully agreed with me without questioning

2380
01:39:50,630 --> 01:39:48,930
you know why are you losing your bananas

2381
01:39:52,940 --> 01:39:50,640
I mean what's happening here and then

2382
01:39:55,760 --> 01:39:52,950
this is all under your analog audio tape

2383
01:39:58,970 --> 01:39:55,770
that's all the tape and also we have

2384
01:40:01,910 --> 01:39:58,980
wonderful sound of this incredible deep

2385
01:40:03,260 --> 01:40:01,920
Rumble with subsonics the seven second

2386
01:40:05,330 --> 01:40:03,270
drum blows associated with the turns we

2387
01:40:06,830 --> 01:40:05,340
have are you doing supposed to copy of

2388
01:40:10,490 --> 01:40:06,840
that recording there will you listen to

2389
01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:10,500
no no we won't we will publish that but

2390
01:40:15,140 --> 01:40:13,530
we might be able to if I I don't know

2391
01:40:17,540 --> 01:40:15,150
anything about audio but if Chris were

2392
01:40:19,550 --> 01:40:17,550
here I could let him copy one example of

2393
01:40:21,980 --> 01:40:19,560
the rumble and and our reaction to it

2394
01:40:23,870 --> 01:40:21,990
but let me let me finish this story

2395
01:40:25,850 --> 01:40:23,880
before epic at the end of it then I

2396
01:40:27,320 --> 01:40:25,860
start counting down I know when they're

2397
01:40:30,140 --> 01:40:27,330
going to do this

2398
01:40:32,240 --> 01:40:30,150
I used to launch a lot of good-sized

2399
01:40:33,860 --> 01:40:32,250
rockets that I built on Padre Island and

2400
01:40:37,460 --> 01:40:33,870
I'm good at counting down the seconds

2401
01:40:39,350 --> 01:40:37,470
and I said it's gonna begin nine eight

2402
01:40:42,680 --> 01:40:39,360
and you hear me only counting down and

2403
01:40:44,660 --> 01:40:42,690
exactly when I get to zero they dock and

2404
01:40:46,370 --> 01:40:44,670
they start tumbling along the line of

2405
01:40:49,220 --> 01:40:46,380
travel now this is what people will be

2406
01:40:51,500 --> 01:40:49,230
able to see on the podcast website if

2407
01:40:55,190 --> 01:40:51,510
you guys are willing to to post it the

2408
01:40:56,960 --> 01:40:55,200
logics connected as they're tumbling and

2409
01:40:59,840 --> 01:40:56,970
at one point you'll see that they begin

2410
01:41:01,160 --> 01:40:59,850
to show up as almost geometric figures

2411
01:41:03,420 --> 01:41:01,170
you'll see some that look like they're

2412
01:41:05,580 --> 01:41:03,430
triangles and it's all this pure

2413
01:41:07,860 --> 01:41:05,590
purrr purrr red that was the reddest red

2414
01:41:10,380 --> 01:41:07,870
I've ever seen except if you look very

2415
01:41:11,730 --> 01:41:10,390
carefully you will see on the left side

2416
01:41:14,370 --> 01:41:11,740
of where they start coming on opposite

2417
01:41:16,920 --> 01:41:14,380
sides little tiny round bright blue

2418
01:41:18,690 --> 01:41:16,930
bleach and you'll also see a couple of

2419
01:41:20,790 --> 01:41:18,700
them not as vertical relative of each

2420
01:41:22,740 --> 01:41:20,800
other along the tumbling near the middle

2421
01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:22,750
but they're much fainter now these

2422
01:41:26,010 --> 01:41:24,610
bleeps probably only curt it you know

2423
01:41:28,020 --> 01:41:26,020
five hundred thousandth of a second

2424
01:41:29,820 --> 01:41:28,030
timing there it was so short that our

2425
01:41:31,230 --> 01:41:29,830
eyes do not apprehend that bar at all

2426
01:41:32,670 --> 01:41:31,240
you know read while you're talking I

2427
01:41:34,500 --> 01:41:32,680
want to go back to the sound recordings

2428
01:41:38,790 --> 01:41:34,510
this is not like a cassette recording if

2429
01:41:40,710 --> 01:41:38,800
the what is a tape cassette 1970s okay

2430
01:41:44,820 --> 01:41:40,720
so the tape cassette it's trivial to

2431
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:44,830
convert that to digital and post it so

2432
01:41:50,220 --> 01:41:47,530
why not it's easy well I would not send

2433
01:41:51,420 --> 01:41:50,230
out original data when I asking you to

2434
01:41:53,430 --> 01:41:51,430
send it down we're asking you to make

2435
01:41:57,720 --> 01:41:53,440
some kind of arrangement maybe to have a

2436
01:42:00,720 --> 01:41:57,730
copy made a digital copy made there plug

2437
01:42:02,490 --> 01:42:00,730
the audio I have a personal computer if

2438
01:42:05,250 --> 01:42:02,500
you were here and brought your equipment

2439
01:42:07,140 --> 01:42:05,260
I could do it but well we're gonna love

2440
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:07,150
to get we'd love to get an example of

2441
01:42:12,030 --> 01:42:08,890
this audio recording on on the podcast

2442
01:42:13,980 --> 01:42:12,040
so people can actually hear this

2443
01:42:15,930 --> 01:42:13,990
wonderful this wonderful physical what

2444
01:42:18,780 --> 01:42:15,940
would be neat to have the one where our

2445
01:42:20,640 --> 01:42:18,790
operator we had an expensive pointing

2446
01:42:22,380 --> 01:42:20,650
microphone and he's supposed to be

2447
01:42:24,510 --> 01:42:22,390
pointing it at the object when you know

2448
01:42:26,400 --> 01:42:24,520
when is making this incredible sound but

2449
01:42:29,460 --> 01:42:26,410
he gets so excited he forgets and you

2450
01:42:32,820 --> 01:42:29,470
you you you hear this Rumble and all of

2451
01:42:34,890 --> 01:42:32,830
a sudden in the midst of ears boom boom

2452
01:42:36,570 --> 01:42:34,900
he got so excited he's beating the

2453
01:42:41,100 --> 01:42:36,580
microphone against his left thigh and

2454
01:42:43,470 --> 01:42:41,110
screaming let me explain something to

2455
01:42:46,470 --> 01:42:43,480
you here ray all you have to is take a

2456
01:42:48,540 --> 01:42:46,480
cassette recorder and plug the output

2457
01:42:52,170 --> 01:42:48,550
into the input of a personal computer

2458
01:42:54,150 --> 01:42:52,180
use a very simple basic audio program I

2459
01:42:56,580 --> 01:42:54,160
bet Chris can talk you through this on

2460
01:43:01,620 --> 01:42:56,590
the toilet absolutely and my pleasure I

2461
01:43:04,620 --> 01:43:01,630
would love to do that actually there is

2462
01:43:07,350 --> 01:43:04,630
so much open source audio software

2463
01:43:09,090 --> 01:43:07,360
online well you'd have to you'd have to

2464
01:43:11,669 --> 01:43:09,100
have him you know I am a computer

2465
01:43:14,430 --> 01:43:11,679
ignore animus and so you have to

2466
01:43:16,290 --> 01:43:14,440
I'll help you Ellen will go every step

2467
01:43:19,439 --> 01:43:16,300
of the way this is this is really cool

2468
01:43:21,510 --> 01:43:19,449
that you're agreeing to not only not

2469
01:43:23,959 --> 01:43:21,520
only do this but the wonderful image

2470
01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:23,969
that we already have and plus the actual

2471
01:43:29,820 --> 01:43:27,010
readouts from the gravitational in magna

2472
01:43:33,120 --> 01:43:29,830
the magnetic data yes is fascinating

2473
01:43:35,250 --> 01:43:33,130
yes well I'm glad to do this if this by

2474
01:43:38,430 --> 01:43:35,260
the way let's put this in context there

2475
01:43:40,560 --> 01:43:38,440
are one or two claims of UFO sounds not

2476
01:43:42,810 --> 01:43:40,570
well documented in this case we not only

2477
01:43:44,669 --> 01:43:42,820
help the photographs we not only her

2478
01:43:46,950 --> 01:43:44,679
life spectra we not only have the audio

2479
01:43:50,640 --> 01:43:46,960
recording of everything we said and

2480
01:43:53,430 --> 01:43:50,650
every camera click but we also have the

2481
01:43:56,939 --> 01:43:53,440
extremely low frequency magnetic field

2482
01:43:59,520 --> 01:43:56,949
and we have waves of change in

2483
01:44:01,470 --> 01:43:59,530
acceleration due to gravity that have a

2484
01:44:03,810 --> 01:44:01,480
close correspondence to the magnetic

2485
01:44:07,229 --> 01:44:03,820
field changes we have this there's never

2486
01:44:09,540 --> 01:44:07,239
been a UFO case this well-documented in

2487
01:44:17,340 --> 01:44:09,550
history before this well then at least

2488
01:44:18,689 --> 01:44:17,350
publicly the I yeah anyway continue I

2489
01:44:20,100 --> 01:44:18,699
believe and make them interesting

2490
01:44:22,830 --> 01:44:20,110
Freedom of Information Act request for

2491
01:44:23,220 --> 01:44:22,840
somebody to pick up on that in just a

2492
01:44:25,439 --> 01:44:23,230
moment

2493
01:44:27,209 --> 01:44:25,449
we have ray Stanford and we'll try to

2494
01:44:29,189 --> 01:44:27,219
work with him on getting digital files

2495
01:44:31,229 --> 01:44:29,199
to be posted on the power Cascone

2496
01:44:37,120 --> 01:44:31,239
website the co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm

2497
01:44:42,040 --> 01:44:39,360
[Music]

2498
01:44:43,990 --> 01:44:42,050
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2499
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2510
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2511
01:45:12,460 --> 01:45:11,120
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2512
01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:12,470
have you ever wondered why banks

2513
01:45:16,120 --> 01:45:14,330
stockbrokers investment advisors won't

2514
01:45:18,520 --> 01:45:16,130
talk about gold IRAs they've been

2515
01:45:20,260 --> 01:45:18,530
available since 1986 yet the financial

2516
01:45:21,940 --> 01:45:20,270
industry won't recognize the value of

2517
01:45:23,980 --> 01:45:21,950
gold for your retirement call this

2518
01:45:25,930 --> 01:45:23,990
outperformed paper investments yet no

2519
01:45:38,850 --> 01:45:25,940
word about IRAs if you would like to

2520
01:45:53,530 --> 01:45:40,050
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2521
01:46:05,460 --> 01:46:02,900
[Music]

2522
01:46:07,050 --> 01:46:05,470
we are in the final hour of our session

2523
01:46:09,810 --> 01:46:07,060
with ray Stanford we're talking about

2524
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:09,820
the encounters in and around White Sands

2525
01:46:15,390 --> 01:46:12,970
New Mexico in 1978 the co-host is Chris

2526
01:46:18,030 --> 01:46:15,400
O'Brien I'm gene Steinberger in the

2527
01:46:20,010 --> 01:46:18,040
power cast for the final hour and I

2528
01:46:22,140 --> 01:46:20,020
wanted to mention once again that we are

2529
01:46:25,050 --> 01:46:22,150
going to be by the time you listen to

2530
01:46:26,820 --> 01:46:25,060
this posting the various photos

2531
01:46:29,940 --> 01:46:26,830
illustrations on the power cast website

2532
01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:29,950
in our forums at forum dr. Peric ascom

2533
01:46:35,820 --> 01:46:32,890
we will be working with Ray to show him

2534
01:46:38,040 --> 01:46:35,830
how to make digital copies of his analog

2535
01:46:40,320 --> 01:46:38,050
tape recordings and post them as well

2536
01:46:43,070 --> 01:46:40,330
Chris okay ray we're about halfway

2537
01:46:45,690 --> 01:46:43,080
through the event you were describing

2538
01:46:48,030 --> 01:46:45,700
your premonition that these objects were

2539
01:46:50,520 --> 01:46:48,040
going to dock and indeed they did

2540
01:46:52,500 --> 01:46:50,530
now what was Bob doing at this point

2541
01:46:55,890 --> 01:46:52,510
with the camera didn't he take a really

2542
01:46:58,440 --> 01:46:55,900
interesting time exposure going to

2543
01:47:01,650 --> 01:46:58,450
sleeve them tumbling right okay once you

2544
01:47:03,210 --> 01:47:01,660
describe what you think those blue dots

2545
01:47:04,500 --> 01:47:03,220
that are in that picture what do you

2546
01:47:06,180 --> 01:47:04,510
think those were I mean you couldn't see

2547
01:47:08,610 --> 01:47:06,190
it with the naked eye but they have to

2548
01:47:10,770 --> 01:47:08,620
be something well yes this of course is

2549
01:47:14,520 --> 01:47:10,780
it's got to be a rubber high-energy

2550
01:47:16,110 --> 01:47:14,530
plasma they could be related to parking

2551
01:47:18,750 --> 01:47:16,120
in other words these things have docked

2552
01:47:20,580 --> 01:47:18,760
and when you have two objects operating

2553
01:47:24,300 --> 01:47:20,590
seemingly magnet I had to hydrodynamic

2554
01:47:26,280 --> 01:47:24,310
how dynamically as well as probably

2555
01:47:28,260 --> 01:47:26,290
control of gravity so silver you're

2556
01:47:30,440 --> 01:47:28,270
going to have initially some instability

2557
01:47:32,700 --> 01:47:30,450
even as when you look at the magnetic

2558
01:47:35,670 --> 01:47:32,710
graphs which people will be able to see

2559
01:47:38,910 --> 01:47:35,680
for the turns there there has to be a

2560
01:47:40,290 --> 01:47:38,920
time of considerable instability now

2561
01:47:43,440 --> 01:47:40,300
what the people are going to see there

2562
01:47:45,720 --> 01:47:43,450
is I think the maximum one that I put

2563
01:47:46,950 --> 01:47:45,730
that I sent you is eight seconds we know

2564
01:47:50,190 --> 01:47:46,960
the exact duration the whole thing but

2565
01:47:52,080 --> 01:47:50,200
eight seconds so this is early into the

2566
01:47:54,900 --> 01:47:52,090
thing and I suspect that these blue dots

2567
01:47:57,030 --> 01:47:54,910
could be really might be related to some

2568
01:48:01,320 --> 01:47:57,040
type of application of energy for

2569
01:48:04,860 --> 01:48:01,330
talking stability to stabilize the the

2570
01:48:06,780 --> 01:48:04,870
rotation instead of kind of a a wobbling

2571
01:48:08,340 --> 01:48:06,790
rotation around the Sun or in other

2572
01:48:10,830 --> 01:48:08,350
words like a stabilizers some sort of

2573
01:48:13,050 --> 01:48:10,840
stabilizer venting there's something

2574
01:48:14,430 --> 01:48:13,060
going on right that's right and I

2575
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:14,440
believe that's what it could

2576
01:48:18,450 --> 01:48:16,810
then there's no way for my buddy let me

2577
01:48:21,180 --> 01:48:18,460
mention that people will have the

2578
01:48:22,290 --> 01:48:21,190
opportunity if the tape is not so bled

2579
01:48:23,910 --> 01:48:22,300
through you can't hear it but I don't

2580
01:48:25,860 --> 01:48:23,920
think something's still be good there's

2581
01:48:28,530 --> 01:48:25,870
this incredible rumble there was total

2582
01:48:31,020 --> 01:48:28,540
silence all the rest of the time and we

2583
01:48:34,530 --> 01:48:31,030
this enabled us by the way to calculate

2584
01:48:37,950 --> 01:48:34,540
the distance once we saw the correlation

2585
01:48:39,570 --> 01:48:37,960
between the turn and the the magnetic

2586
01:48:42,960 --> 01:48:39,580
perturbations of their normal field

2587
01:48:46,350 --> 01:48:42,970
effects we were able to by using the

2588
01:48:48,720 --> 01:48:46,360
time lag between the visual event of the

2589
01:48:50,880 --> 01:48:48,730
reversal of direction and the the

2590
01:48:53,040 --> 01:48:50,890
auditory event it is these lights

2591
01:48:55,200 --> 01:48:53,050
they're essentially instantly but the

2592
01:48:57,300 --> 01:48:55,210
sound takes you awhile using the local

2593
01:48:59,640 --> 01:48:57,310
speed of sound we were able to calculate

2594
01:49:01,800 --> 01:48:59,650
the distance of these objects and using

2595
01:49:03,120 --> 01:49:01,810
the arcs subtended in the photographs

2596
01:49:05,730 --> 01:49:03,130
we're also able to calculate the

2597
01:49:08,190 --> 01:49:05,740
approximate size of these two objects

2598
01:49:10,650 --> 01:49:08,200
they were identical and the ellipsoid

2599
01:49:12,690 --> 01:49:10,660
seems to have been in the art very much

2600
01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:12,700
the size of the circle object or I would

2601
01:49:17,160 --> 01:49:15,850
say around 18 feet long probably okay

2602
01:49:20,340 --> 01:49:17,170
now one thing that we need to do here

2603
01:49:22,590 --> 01:49:20,350
ray is is we're talking about audio data

2604
01:49:24,360 --> 01:49:22,600
here no we need to describe I think to

2605
01:49:26,990 --> 01:49:24,370
the listeners how you obtain this audio

2606
01:49:30,470 --> 01:49:27,000
data your magnetometer has an audio

2607
01:49:33,270 --> 01:49:30,480
function on it that is an analog tone

2608
01:49:35,850 --> 01:49:33,280
once you describe the process of how

2609
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:35,860
that sound was down the signals coming

2610
01:49:40,770 --> 01:49:37,930
from the gravimeter and the magnetometer

2611
01:49:42,750 --> 01:49:40,780
are going in now they're being recorded

2612
01:49:45,630 --> 01:49:42,760
at a level than unless we flip a switch

2613
01:49:48,540 --> 01:49:45,640
we do not hear this is called IR ID

2614
01:49:50,820 --> 01:49:48,550
format recording it's a format a binary

2615
01:49:54,780 --> 01:49:50,830
format of the type that the Navy uses in

2616
01:49:58,500 --> 01:49:54,790
different bandwidth but the frequency

2617
01:50:00,840 --> 01:49:58,510
modulation FM but we also have their

2618
01:50:02,820 --> 01:50:00,850
only unit we flip a switch and there's a

2619
01:50:06,060 --> 01:50:02,830
little speaker there and it creates an

2620
01:50:09,060 --> 01:50:06,070
audio frequency analog of the signal

2621
01:50:11,070 --> 01:50:09,070
that is being monitored in recorded and

2622
01:50:12,780 --> 01:50:11,080
in the other format and you can actually

2623
01:50:14,100 --> 01:50:12,790
hear that's why we were so excited out

2624
01:50:15,960 --> 01:50:14,110
there on the highway western plains for

2625
01:50:18,900 --> 01:50:15,970
the first time we are not only able to

2626
01:50:20,720 --> 01:50:18,910
hear a UFOs magnetic field for sure but

2627
01:50:23,010 --> 01:50:20,730
we were able to hear these incredible

2628
01:50:24,840 --> 01:50:23,020
instantaneous reversal the direction

2629
01:50:25,400 --> 01:50:24,850
when they occurred that's what you're

2630
01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:25,410
going to

2631
01:50:28,610 --> 01:50:26,970
here on the table you're gonna hear no

2632
01:50:30,920 --> 01:50:28,620
no no we also have a regular tape

2633
01:50:33,320 --> 01:50:30,930
recorder out there okay with the you

2634
01:50:35,120 --> 01:50:33,330
know microphone on it reporter is

2635
01:50:37,310 --> 01:50:35,130
picking up the sound of the speaker and

2636
01:50:39,110 --> 01:50:37,320
the magnetometer that has given you the

2637
01:50:41,660 --> 01:50:39,120
actual audio representation of the

2638
01:50:43,340 --> 01:50:41,670
magnetic field change that's right okay

2639
01:50:45,740 --> 01:50:43,350
okay just just can people understand

2640
01:50:48,920 --> 01:50:45,750
that I want to make that clear yeah okay

2641
01:50:52,160 --> 01:50:48,930
sorry do you know if we possibly do not

2642
01:50:53,750 --> 01:50:52,170
have that on during the recording of the

2643
01:50:55,040 --> 01:50:53,760
you know when the making these sounds

2644
01:50:56,240 --> 01:50:55,050
because that would interfere I'm not

2645
01:50:57,560 --> 01:50:56,250
sure it's been so long since we've

2646
01:51:00,050 --> 01:50:57,570
listened to the tape

2647
01:51:01,820 --> 01:51:00,060
I don't recall but II mean we don't

2648
01:51:04,010 --> 01:51:01,830
you'll notice that there's no sound

2649
01:51:06,470 --> 01:51:04,020
except us talking and then all of a

2650
01:51:09,080 --> 01:51:06,480
sudden the sound starts let me say that

2651
01:51:10,790 --> 01:51:09,090
it wasn't just a deep dirty sound my

2652
01:51:12,950 --> 01:51:10,800
analog would be and for everybody

2653
01:51:14,420 --> 01:51:12,960
listening this probably they probably

2654
01:51:16,760 --> 01:51:14,430
seen the movie Close Encounters of the

2655
01:51:18,590 --> 01:51:16,770
Third Kind well there's some if you went

2656
01:51:21,620 --> 01:51:18,600
to a good theater with Biggles bass

2657
01:51:24,410 --> 01:51:21,630
speakers when the little boys being

2658
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:24,420
drawn out through the pet door to be

2659
01:51:29,120 --> 01:51:26,010
captured taken to the mothership that

2660
01:51:31,280 --> 01:51:29,130
was out there in the movie there is this

2661
01:51:34,610 --> 01:51:31,290
deep Rumble but if you had good speakers

2662
01:51:36,650 --> 01:51:34,620
you also felt your soft tissue vibrating

2663
01:51:38,570 --> 01:51:36,660
like in an earthquake well you you not

2664
01:51:41,330 --> 01:51:38,580
only felt us in your soft tissue you

2665
01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:41,340
felt it the earth itself was shaking and

2666
01:51:50,090 --> 01:51:48,090
this is my BOB was so I I mean I don't

2667
01:51:53,030 --> 01:51:50,100
blame him I mean it's just overwhelming

2668
01:51:55,460 --> 01:51:53,040
okay so we're halfway through the event

2669
01:51:58,100 --> 01:51:55,470
let's continue in our our timeline of

2670
01:52:01,220 --> 01:51:58,110
actually what happened there okay well

2671
01:52:04,490 --> 01:52:01,230
this whole episode of what I would call

2672
01:52:06,620 --> 01:52:04,500
showing off their abilities continued do

2673
01:52:08,330 --> 01:52:06,630
their a little performance and you know

2674
01:52:09,740 --> 01:52:08,340
sometimes they would repeat usually they

2675
01:52:11,690 --> 01:52:09,750
were a different arranged but there are

2676
01:52:13,250 --> 01:52:11,700
all kinds of these weird little deals

2677
01:52:16,220 --> 01:52:13,260
they did the show that they wouldn't hit

2678
01:52:17,930 --> 01:52:16,230
each other I guess and then they go back

2679
01:52:20,210 --> 01:52:17,940
to article now why I kept going back

2680
01:52:22,700 --> 01:52:20,220
towards the car oh I don't know but they

2681
01:52:24,110 --> 01:52:22,710
go to score and then make this streak so

2682
01:52:28,160 --> 01:52:24,120
fast you wouldn't say they don't film

2683
01:52:30,230 --> 01:52:28,170
back to the front panels trying to seems

2684
01:52:34,480 --> 01:52:30,240
Lonnie was all around and show off the

2685
01:52:37,010 --> 01:52:34,490
line because they even make sense to me

2686
01:52:37,610 --> 01:52:37,020
sound asleep

2687
01:52:39,920 --> 01:52:37,620
but

2688
01:52:42,800 --> 01:52:39,930
he was well off the police or that in

2689
01:52:44,180 --> 01:52:42,810
but the thing is that that I mean

2690
01:52:46,370 --> 01:52:44,190
we're just in awe and you hear us

2691
01:52:48,830 --> 01:52:46,380
talking if I was happening and and well

2692
01:52:52,490 --> 01:52:48,840
we described it as a UFO leaders dream

2693
01:52:53,900 --> 01:52:52,500
come true and to make it all crazier we

2694
01:52:54,580 --> 01:52:53,910
read all of this is going on under a

2695
01:52:57,830 --> 01:52:54,590
full moon

2696
01:53:03,820 --> 01:52:57,840
and you know we could have held it was

2697
01:53:08,840 --> 01:53:03,830
so wonderful but anyway as it got on for

2698
01:53:10,910 --> 01:53:08,850
this went on for for 35 minutes until 10

2699
01:53:13,880 --> 01:53:10,920
minutes I guess after midnight it again

2700
01:53:15,400 --> 01:53:13,890
I believe 11:35 so I get into 10 minutes

2701
01:53:17,810 --> 01:53:15,410
after midnight

2702
01:53:20,480 --> 01:53:17,820
that's all subject to revision looking

2703
01:53:24,020 --> 01:53:20,490
at the logbook that are on the computer

2704
01:53:27,830 --> 01:53:24,030
but anyway whether you know whatever it

2705
01:53:29,570 --> 01:53:27,840
was is partly 35 minutes and then just

2706
01:53:32,360 --> 01:53:29,580
we didn't know his coming to an end but

2707
01:53:34,100 --> 01:53:32,370
suddenly ice made they had they had gone

2708
01:53:37,760 --> 01:53:34,110
back off they were heading back off

2709
01:53:40,430 --> 01:53:37,770
toward siguro as they had every time for

2710
01:53:43,310 --> 01:53:40,440
35 minutes and on the tape I make a

2711
01:53:44,780 --> 01:53:43,320
strange statement you know memory is bad

2712
01:53:47,060 --> 01:53:44,790
I can't say that my memory of it son

2713
01:53:48,890 --> 01:53:47,070
person acted but on the tape I say

2714
01:53:51,860 --> 01:53:48,900
something like well you guys better

2715
01:53:54,470 --> 01:53:51,870
enjoy this time because when they come

2716
01:53:56,090 --> 01:53:54,480
back here they're not going to head back

2717
01:53:58,010 --> 01:53:56,100
towards the coral this time after they

2718
01:54:00,200 --> 01:53:58,020
do their little performance they're

2719
01:54:05,060 --> 01:54:00,210
going to head off toward Holloman Air

2720
01:54:07,700 --> 01:54:05,070
Force Base is weird in itself I had no

2721
01:54:10,550 --> 01:54:07,710
reason to say it it was irrationally and

2722
01:54:13,790 --> 01:54:10,560
my my wife it was one of the other two

2723
01:54:17,060 --> 01:54:13,800
people and Bob you hear them agree with

2724
01:54:20,180 --> 01:54:17,070
me my wife says I know yeah that that's

2725
01:54:23,720 --> 01:54:20,190
it and and and in Bob says on my yep

2726
01:54:26,480 --> 01:54:23,730
this'll be it and he does that's exactly

2727
01:54:28,730 --> 01:54:26,490
what happens now my feeling was that

2728
01:54:30,410 --> 01:54:28,740
they had completed their communications

2729
01:54:31,790 --> 01:54:30,420
and maybe some kind of agreement and

2730
01:54:34,640 --> 01:54:31,800
they were bent over to land and they

2731
01:54:36,500 --> 01:54:34,650
contact at Holloman face-to-face I don't

2732
01:54:39,080 --> 01:54:36,510
know that all I know is is they went

2733
01:54:43,220 --> 01:54:39,090
over analyzing on a coat or the

2734
01:54:46,850 --> 01:54:43,230
coordinate from you think that they

2735
01:54:48,530 --> 01:54:46,860
actually went to Harlem and then in I

2736
01:54:50,240 --> 01:54:48,540
would guess that that's what happened

2737
01:54:51,439 --> 01:54:50,250
you know I have no way of knowing but

2738
01:54:53,209 --> 01:54:51,449
that was my gut

2739
01:54:55,370 --> 01:54:53,219
and you know the flood was right but I

2740
01:54:57,529 --> 01:54:55,380
mean imagine for 35 minutes they've done

2741
01:54:59,839 --> 01:54:57,539
this this basic train thing maneuvers

2742
01:55:02,120 --> 01:54:59,849
and particle they're going back towards

2743
01:55:04,939 --> 01:55:02,130
saqqara and I say this and why did those

2744
01:55:07,279 --> 01:55:04,949
two agree with me I mean it it's bizarre

2745
01:55:09,410 --> 01:55:07,289
I'll tell you what's bizarre because I

2746
01:55:14,449 --> 01:55:09,420
can't get my wife to agree with me all

2747
01:55:16,489 --> 01:55:14,459
the time you know the intimate details

2748
01:55:18,770 --> 01:55:16,499
of your marriage in your relationship

2749
01:55:20,870 --> 01:55:18,780
because that's probably not to remain to

2750
01:55:23,540 --> 01:55:20,880
this discussion what is germane is the

2751
01:55:26,569 --> 01:55:23,550
fact that we are talking to Ray Stanford

2752
01:55:29,629 --> 01:55:26,579
and we're wrapping up this incident near

2753
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White Sands New Mexico from 1978 the

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2859
02:00:25,450 --> 02:00:23,159
talking about how he and his friend both

2860
02:00:27,950 --> 02:00:25,460
agreed and his wife both agreed with him

2861
02:00:30,290 --> 02:00:27,960
I'm Jean Steinberg you're in the para

2862
02:00:32,899 --> 02:00:30,300
cast the co-host is Chris O'Brien Chris

2863
02:00:34,669 --> 02:00:32,909
follow up please okay ray this is a bit

2864
02:00:36,049 --> 02:00:34,679
of bringing up Holloman now this is new

2865
02:00:37,520 --> 02:00:36,059
information for me I don't recall

2866
02:00:39,979 --> 02:00:37,530
hearing this

2867
02:00:42,350 --> 02:00:39,989
what if sort of scenario that you just

2868
02:00:44,240 --> 02:00:42,360
laid out here now do you think that we

2869
02:00:47,660 --> 02:00:44,250
should possibly do some sort of foi a

2870
02:00:49,339 --> 02:00:47,670
request can you do it welcome to do that

2871
02:00:51,560 --> 02:00:49,349
I don't know what happened out there but

2872
02:00:52,669 --> 02:00:51,570
I bet you'd really get a runaround but

2873
02:00:55,339 --> 02:00:52,679
it'd be interesting to see what you

2874
02:00:58,310 --> 02:00:55,349
might get we have a specific exact time

2875
02:00:59,509 --> 02:00:58,320
and date yes exactly this is really

2876
02:01:02,209 --> 02:00:59,519
interesting anything it happened out

2877
02:01:04,040 --> 02:01:02,219
there is on tape for example once they

2878
02:01:07,009 --> 02:01:04,050
had headed off to Holloman you don't

2879
02:01:08,390 --> 02:01:07,019
hear me taking the magnetic azimuth of

2880
02:01:09,859 --> 02:01:08,400
where they would disappear over vice

2881
02:01:12,560 --> 02:01:09,869
occur and where they maneuver it in

2882
02:01:15,379 --> 02:01:12,570
front of the panels and at the elevation

2883
02:01:16,729 --> 02:01:15,389
above gravitational horizon in front of

2884
02:01:19,399 --> 02:01:16,739
the panels and the elevation of a

2885
02:01:22,430 --> 02:01:19,409
gravitational rose over s Sakura all

2886
02:01:26,149 --> 02:01:22,440
that data was carefully recorded before

2887
02:01:28,260 --> 02:01:26,159
we actually took off for Socorro field

2888
02:01:30,480 --> 02:01:28,270
investigators take notes here the

2889
02:01:33,270 --> 02:01:30,490
this this is really important you have

2890
02:01:35,340 --> 02:01:33,280
to write everything down in ray I must

2891
02:01:38,910 --> 02:01:35,350
say you are quite the meticulous

2892
02:01:40,650 --> 02:01:38,920
documentarian I'm so pleased to to be

2893
02:01:42,600 --> 02:01:40,660
able to say that you have all this data

2894
02:01:44,370 --> 02:01:42,610
and that you're you're even going to

2895
02:01:46,350 --> 02:01:44,380
help share it with people and stuff this

2896
02:01:50,250 --> 02:01:46,360
is great keep going sorry let me mention

2897
02:01:52,590 --> 02:01:50,260
something if one own principal doesn't

2898
02:01:54,720 --> 02:01:52,600
want to feel that that my wife is

2899
02:01:57,060 --> 02:01:54,730
agreeing with me one can come to the

2900
02:01:59,700 --> 02:01:57,070
alternative I was informed by a PhD

2901
02:02:02,070 --> 02:01:59,710
working in at times a very classified

2902
02:02:05,310 --> 02:02:02,080
material for the government in 1980 I

2903
02:02:07,620 --> 02:02:05,320
was told that the I'm not gonna say it

2904
02:02:10,440 --> 02:02:07,630
but one of the intelligence agencies had

2905
02:02:13,470 --> 02:02:10,450
learned that if they can they can take a

2906
02:02:15,450 --> 02:02:13,480
briefcase but cause of wear and it patch

2907
02:02:17,520 --> 02:02:15,460
it to a an energy source and an

2908
02:02:21,750 --> 02:02:17,530
oscillator that oscillates at blank

2909
02:02:23,610 --> 02:02:21,760
Point Blank Hertz and that is they do

2910
02:02:25,260 --> 02:02:23,620
this and they they bring it to a meeting

2911
02:02:26,880 --> 02:02:25,270
with you say they take you out to dinner

2912
02:02:28,860 --> 02:02:26,890
and they said it beside the commune you

2913
02:02:30,720 --> 02:02:28,870
and them and turn it on if they can get

2914
02:02:32,550 --> 02:02:30,730
you they're still eating and talking for

2915
02:02:35,150 --> 02:02:32,560
over an hour you'll become so hot

2916
02:02:38,250 --> 02:02:35,160
hypnagogic you'll agree to anything well

2917
02:02:40,620 --> 02:02:38,260
maybe maybe they weren't being psychic I

2918
02:02:43,350 --> 02:02:40,630
maybe I prefer to think they were but it

2919
02:02:45,870 --> 02:02:43,360
happens that one of the frequencies that

2920
02:02:47,340 --> 02:02:45,880
frequently gets hit in the magnetic

2921
02:02:49,830 --> 02:02:47,350
field of those objects is right there in

2922
02:02:52,830 --> 02:02:49,840
the same frequency that I was told it's

2923
02:02:56,070 --> 02:02:52,840
used in this device well you said Blanc

2924
02:02:57,840 --> 02:02:56,080
Hertz you can't give us a number there

2925
02:02:59,490 --> 02:02:57,850
right be great to have that number I

2926
02:03:01,650 --> 02:02:59,500
don't know

2927
02:03:03,630 --> 02:03:01,660
beyond the decimal point okay I'll tell

2928
02:03:04,140 --> 02:03:03,640
you how many Hertz are we talking about

2929
02:03:07,020 --> 02:03:04,150
here

2930
02:03:08,460 --> 02:03:07,030
13.5 say between 13 and 14 Hertz okay

2931
02:03:11,660 --> 02:03:08,470
and is a little clue for y'all out there

2932
02:03:15,150 --> 02:03:11,670
so a suitcase device with a coil uh

2933
02:03:17,160 --> 02:03:15,160
that's oscillating and for about an hour

2934
02:03:19,740 --> 02:03:17,170
if it's in close proximity to a person

2935
02:03:21,600 --> 02:03:19,750
it can in train you into a hypnagogic

2936
02:03:24,150 --> 02:03:21,610
state that's very interesting I've never

2937
02:03:26,010 --> 02:03:24,160
heard that but I was by this PhD that

2938
02:03:28,860 --> 02:03:26,020
informed me of that and he's not the

2939
02:03:30,990 --> 02:03:28,870
kind of guy that he's very skeptical

2940
02:03:32,220 --> 02:03:31,000
objective person and he wouldn't have

2941
02:03:34,200 --> 02:03:32,230
made up a story if he didn't know it for

2942
02:03:35,820 --> 02:03:34,210
sure that's really interesting I'm gonna

2943
02:03:37,590 --> 02:03:35,830
do a little research on that one myself

2944
02:03:39,990 --> 02:03:37,600
alright so let's continue on here let's

2945
02:03:41,549 --> 02:03:40,000
finish up our our white sands event this

2946
02:03:44,849 --> 02:03:41,559
is like you said I

2947
02:03:47,989 --> 02:03:44,859
I agree with you historic we have

2948
02:03:50,369 --> 02:03:47,999
gravitational data we have meg Meg

2949
02:03:53,549 --> 02:03:50,379
magnetometer recording along with an

2950
02:03:55,199 --> 02:03:53,559
analog audio signal that's squelched and

2951
02:03:57,299 --> 02:03:55,209
then when you have these but dramatic

2952
02:03:59,309 --> 02:03:57,309
turns you've got this this wonderful

2953
02:04:01,409 --> 02:03:59,319
sound that indicates the change in the

2954
02:04:03,299 --> 02:04:01,419
magnetic field we have light spectra

2955
02:04:06,509 --> 02:04:03,309
data I'm assuming you had some sort of

2956
02:04:09,029 --> 02:04:06,519
blazing on the lens that allows the the

2957
02:04:12,209 --> 02:04:09,039
light to be split into its components

2958
02:04:15,299 --> 02:04:12,219
and we have a complete recording of the

2959
02:04:17,040 --> 02:04:15,309
entire event analog and we have three

2960
02:04:19,649 --> 02:04:17,050
three witnesses with a lot of experience

2961
02:04:21,989 --> 02:04:19,659
out in the field ray this is amazing

2962
02:04:25,139 --> 02:04:21,999
stuff and why hasn't this stuff been

2963
02:04:26,759 --> 02:04:25,149
published why are we hearing this very

2964
02:04:29,009 --> 02:04:26,769
first time most of us I don't want you

2965
02:04:30,479 --> 02:04:29,019
to term embarrassment of riches we have

2966
02:04:32,339 --> 02:04:30,489
it you understand that what I'm

2967
02:04:34,559 --> 02:04:32,349
describing here is nothing compared to

2968
02:04:36,419 --> 02:04:34,569
the better stuff we've gotten and you

2969
02:04:38,339 --> 02:04:36,429
get overwhelmed and you get working on

2970
02:04:40,589 --> 02:04:38,349
it and back then of course I had a lot

2971
02:04:42,270 --> 02:04:40,599
of money to put into one motion picture

2972
02:04:45,299 --> 02:04:42,280
film I've gotten I mentioned back twelve

2973
02:04:47,250 --> 02:04:45,309
1277 at daylight very important film our

2974
02:04:49,949 --> 02:04:47,260
corporation spent eighty nine thousand

2975
02:04:52,290 --> 02:04:49,959
dollars studying that film alone now of

2976
02:04:54,629 --> 02:04:52,300
course that the corporation doesn't

2977
02:04:56,009 --> 02:04:54,639
exist taken over by some fundamentalist

2978
02:04:56,909 --> 02:04:56,019
Christians who decided the devil

2979
02:05:00,899 --> 02:04:56,919
wouldn't have anything to do with

2980
02:05:03,659 --> 02:05:00,909
financing science UFO research and but

2981
02:05:05,369 --> 02:05:03,669
all the same so I don't have the kind of

2982
02:05:09,119 --> 02:05:05,379
money to plan all this but I'm working

2983
02:05:10,589 --> 02:05:09,129
very hard at it but people out there was

2984
02:05:12,000 --> 02:05:10,599
I oh geez what inch away well my

2985
02:05:15,239 --> 02:05:12,010
interest has never been in entertaining

2986
02:05:17,099 --> 02:05:15,249
the public it's to take your time when

2987
02:05:20,040 --> 02:05:17,109
people rush they usually make mistakes

2988
02:05:22,020 --> 02:05:20,050
and take your time know what you're

2989
02:05:26,369 --> 02:05:22,030
looking at as well as you can know it

2990
02:05:29,099 --> 02:05:26,379
before you publish and this has much

2991
02:05:32,849 --> 02:05:29,109
light has been thrown on this case by

2992
02:05:35,399 --> 02:05:32,859
much more evidential subsequent films

2993
02:05:37,439 --> 02:05:35,409
and recordings that we have gotten it's

2994
02:05:39,659 --> 02:05:37,449
a matter of there's a whole lot of

2995
02:05:41,069 --> 02:05:39,669
things here that even changed my and

2996
02:05:44,369 --> 02:05:41,079
others working with me

2997
02:05:46,619 --> 02:05:44,379
changed our outlook about the anxiety we

2998
02:05:48,929 --> 02:05:46,629
had to improve the John Q public well

2999
02:05:51,059 --> 02:05:48,939
we've now seen the proof ourselves we

3000
02:05:54,179 --> 02:05:51,069
think our first duty is to science

3001
02:05:55,170 --> 02:05:54,189
Leslie King has done a good book but I

3002
02:05:58,740 --> 02:05:55,180
think she made a must

3003
02:06:01,710 --> 02:05:58,750
and in suggesting a government panel

3004
02:06:04,590 --> 02:06:01,720
we must go through science with

3005
02:06:06,870 --> 02:06:04,600
scientists and their study okay let me

3006
02:06:08,730 --> 02:06:06,880
just backtrack here okay in her new book

3007
02:06:10,560 --> 02:06:08,740
about UFOs Leslie Cain who was on the

3008
02:06:13,590 --> 02:06:10,570
power cast just a couple of weeks back

3009
02:06:17,190 --> 02:06:13,600
made the case with her contributors for

3010
02:06:19,470 --> 02:06:17,200
a new UFO agency on the part of the US

3011
02:06:21,330 --> 02:06:19,480
government maybe a project Bluebook -

3012
02:06:22,740 --> 02:06:21,340
perhaps but you're suggesting you know

3013
02:06:25,710 --> 02:06:22,750
we don't want the government to do it

3014
02:06:28,020 --> 02:06:25,720
let the private scientific sector do it

3015
02:06:30,120 --> 02:06:28,030
yes in other words I think this is the

3016
02:06:32,400 --> 02:06:30,130
reason I put together the incredible

3017
02:06:34,560 --> 02:06:32,410
PowerPoint production that I have I'm

3018
02:06:36,750 --> 02:06:34,570
trying to get if they will come and say

3019
02:06:38,490 --> 02:06:36,760
it P scientists they don't have to have

3020
02:06:40,740 --> 02:06:38,500
done in this when they see it they will

3021
02:06:43,230 --> 02:06:40,750
know what they're seeing for example I

3022
02:06:45,660 --> 02:06:43,240
would love to michio kaku theoretical

3023
02:06:48,090 --> 02:06:45,670
physicist to come see this he's very

3024
02:06:50,220 --> 02:06:48,100
interested in UFOs but have you asked

3025
02:06:52,380 --> 02:06:50,230
them have you said meet you would you

3026
02:06:54,120 --> 02:06:52,390
come and look at my present I don't even

3027
02:06:56,610 --> 02:06:54,130
have I have an email address that I've

3028
02:06:59,100 --> 02:06:56,620
sent some mass mail out letters to talk

3029
02:07:01,260 --> 02:06:59,110
abut not not this in the first place he

3030
02:07:03,330 --> 02:07:01,270
doesn't know me from Adam predictable

3031
02:07:05,610 --> 02:07:03,340
sources have related all of na that I'm

3032
02:07:07,410 --> 02:07:05,620
some kind of a kook because I used to

3033
02:07:09,840 --> 02:07:07,420
work as a psychic with a research

3034
02:07:12,090 --> 02:07:09,850
organization and when they here at last

3035
02:07:13,950 --> 02:07:12,100
I think they kind of turn off they don't

3036
02:07:15,570 --> 02:07:13,960
realize in fact that people say right

3037
02:07:17,790 --> 02:07:15,580
how do you get so many of these things

3038
02:07:20,100 --> 02:07:17,800
well why did I suddenly decide we had to

3039
02:07:22,080 --> 02:07:20,110
go on the Highway 380 instead of when we

3040
02:07:23,250 --> 02:07:22,090
plan to take over there why did I feel

3041
02:07:25,320 --> 02:07:23,260
that we wouldn't have anything on the

3042
02:07:27,510 --> 02:07:25,330
highway that was on our map plan and why

3043
02:07:29,760 --> 02:07:27,520
did I change the last minute maybe being

3044
02:07:31,950 --> 02:07:29,770
a bit psychic helped well you know what

3045
02:07:33,900 --> 02:07:31,960
maybe we should segue to that because we

3046
02:07:35,670 --> 02:07:33,910
have only about twenty some odd minutes

3047
02:07:38,400 --> 02:07:35,680
to do with this episode of the power

3048
02:07:40,500 --> 02:07:38,410
cast and I remember your name and that

3049
02:07:42,870 --> 02:07:40,510
of your brother's name in connection

3050
02:07:44,730 --> 02:07:42,880
with being a psychic a contactees

3051
02:07:47,160 --> 02:07:44,740
something like that would you be willing

3052
02:07:48,900 --> 02:07:47,170
to address those issues of course I'd

3053
02:07:51,990 --> 02:07:48,910
love to I appreciate you bringing it up

3054
02:07:53,010 --> 02:07:52,000
okay let's keep in mind that when I was

3055
02:07:54,540 --> 02:07:53,020
too closely

3056
02:07:59,040 --> 02:07:54,550
Fareeda started to count that ballet

3057
02:08:02,400 --> 02:07:59,050
gives a contactee I was between 15 and

3058
02:08:03,629 --> 02:08:02,410
19 years of age and I'll tell you what

3059
02:08:06,209 --> 02:08:03,639
we're going to be

3060
02:08:07,770 --> 02:08:06,219
the age factor about the fact that you

3061
02:08:09,930 --> 02:08:07,780
and your brother were teenagers when we

3062
02:08:11,879 --> 02:08:09,940
were classified as quote/unquote

3063
02:08:14,550 --> 02:08:11,889
contactees we'll get into more of that

3064
02:08:17,220 --> 02:08:14,560
in a moment we have Ray Stanford joining

3065
02:08:20,160 --> 02:08:17,230
us we have covered this series of cases

3066
02:08:22,709 --> 02:08:20,170
around White Sands New Mexico in 1978 we

3067
02:08:24,390 --> 02:08:22,719
hope to post some information for you on

3068
02:08:27,149 --> 02:08:24,400
the forums at forum dot for our case

3069
02:08:30,450 --> 02:08:27,159
calm our co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm

3070
02:08:36,090 --> 02:08:30,460
gene Steinberg you're in the para cast

3071
02:08:44,709 --> 02:08:40,680
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3072
02:08:46,840 --> 02:08:44,719
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3073
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3074
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3075
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3088
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3089
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3090
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3091
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3092
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through the roof and that means

3093
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3094
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3095
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3096
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3097
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3098
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3099
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3100
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3101
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3102
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never hide your guns under any

3103
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3105
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3106
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3107
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3108
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book and even the website may disappear

3109
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without warning at any time go to hide

3110
02:10:31,720 --> 02:10:28,909
your guns calm that's hide your guns

3111
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3112
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3113
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come for your guns hide your guns calm

3114
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right now right now normal blood

3115
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pressure naturally how would that make

3116
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you feel I'm dawn from New Mexico

3117
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January of 2000 I had a heart attack

3118
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then my real health began going downhill

3119
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and I had high blood pressure high blood

3120
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sugar and poor vision and I really

3121
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wasn't sleeping well I was a mess pretty

3122
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3126
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a few days I started sleeping a lot

3127
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3128
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normalized my blood sugar normalized and

3129
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my sleep really did improve experience

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today on air online and on demand they

3165
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say we offer simple answers to complex

3166
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you're in the air cast you never know

3167
02:13:00,530 --> 02:12:56,870
what's going to happen the next

3168
02:13:05,670 --> 02:13:03,660
we have race Stanford we're now going

3169
02:13:09,180 --> 02:13:05,680
back through time to the 50s and 60s

3170
02:13:12,000 --> 02:13:09,190
where he was known he and his brother as

3171
02:13:13,740 --> 02:13:12,010
contactees I'm Jean Steinberg Chris

3172
02:13:16,950 --> 02:13:13,750
O'Brien is the co-host ER in the para

3173
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cast okay ray so when did this start you

3174
02:13:21,960 --> 02:13:19,420
were identified as a contact II when

3175
02:13:26,160 --> 02:13:21,970
will all this starts I wanted to start

3176
02:13:30,120 --> 02:13:26,170
well it started on the 15th of October

3177
02:13:31,950 --> 02:13:30,130
1953 when I learned that there was a

3178
02:13:34,710 --> 02:13:31,960
book alcohol flying saucers in landed

3179
02:13:37,590 --> 02:13:34,720
which was of course one but it doesn't

3180
02:13:39,570 --> 02:13:37,600
unless the intent George Adamski and I

3181
02:13:41,370 --> 02:13:39,580
went down the bookstore and got it and

3182
02:13:43,020 --> 02:13:41,380
all that saying they did did a painting

3183
02:13:45,630 --> 02:13:43,030
of the so called scoutship which I

3184
02:13:48,090 --> 02:13:45,640
suddenly learned was a report on

3185
02:13:49,620 --> 02:13:48,100
lampshade I think for a gas mine if I

3186
02:13:52,080 --> 02:13:49,630
could be wrong that been brought from

3187
02:13:53,760 --> 02:13:52,090
Poland with advance keys mother when

3188
02:13:55,980 --> 02:13:53,770
they came over when he was so his

3189
02:13:57,480 --> 02:13:55,990
photograph was a Polish lampshade that's

3190
02:13:59,640 --> 02:13:57,490
right it wasn't a vacuum-cleaner who

3191
02:14:01,590 --> 02:13:59,650
later or anything else that people have

3192
02:14:03,180 --> 02:14:01,600
claimed people see things that looks

3193
02:14:06,150 --> 02:14:03,190
vaguely like it and you know I say

3194
02:14:08,670 --> 02:14:06,160
that's it but it's not and even damned

3195
02:14:10,770 --> 02:14:08,680
skeletally liked my brother and me and

3196
02:14:12,690 --> 02:14:10,780
and to show this how he faked the

3197
02:14:15,300 --> 02:14:12,700
mothership photographs for example he

3198
02:14:17,430 --> 02:14:15,310
didn't I think want us to get hung up in

3199
02:14:20,010 --> 02:14:17,440
this but you see I got taken into the

3200
02:14:22,170 --> 02:14:20,020
idea of the space brothers that are just

3201
02:14:26,190 --> 02:14:22,180
giving you loving like messages and this

3202
02:14:29,100 --> 02:14:26,200
kind of stuff and we went down yeah well

3203
02:14:32,490 --> 02:14:29,110
it was 15 and we went down to Padre

3204
02:14:36,600 --> 02:14:32,500
Island in 1954 which I was well I was 16

3205
02:14:39,110 --> 02:14:36,610
and 8 of us went out there and then

3206
02:14:41,730 --> 02:14:39,120
there were three policemen came out and

3207
02:14:44,400 --> 02:14:41,740
jaundice that's all we had we sent out

3208
02:14:46,080 --> 02:14:44,410
telepathic messages and whether it had

3209
02:14:48,120 --> 02:14:46,090
any relationship or not

3210
02:14:49,740 --> 02:14:48,130
we saw UFOs and I wonder which was a

3211
02:14:51,690 --> 02:14:49,750
dumb disk of which we succeeded in

3212
02:14:53,880 --> 02:14:51,700
getting one photograph that actually

3213
02:14:56,670 --> 02:14:53,890
came in and it did kind of scare the

3214
02:14:57,840 --> 02:14:56,680
veloute out of the police officers that

3215
02:15:00,780 --> 02:14:57,850
came there was a state high road

3216
02:15:03,120 --> 02:15:00,790
atonement on Hart a is father a deputy

3217
02:15:06,000 --> 02:15:03,130
sheriff ray heart and a deputy sheriff

3218
02:15:07,860 --> 02:15:06,010
Steve woods and I have photographed of

3219
02:15:09,449 --> 02:15:07,870
Ray and Don hard together him in uniform

3220
02:15:12,330 --> 02:15:09,459
with the State Police and

3221
02:15:14,189 --> 02:15:12,340
Davis from from Mary Hart and Steve

3222
02:15:16,410 --> 02:15:14,199
woods testing to the fact that they saw

3223
02:15:18,779 --> 02:15:16,420
this event on Padre Island and yet

3224
02:15:20,310 --> 02:15:18,789
because the certain people muddied the

3225
02:15:21,060 --> 02:15:20,320
water said oh this guy's a contact he

3226
02:15:23,129 --> 02:15:21,070
don't believe in

3227
02:15:25,199 --> 02:15:23,139
despite eleven witnesses with police

3228
02:15:27,020 --> 02:15:25,209
affidavits and one photograph it's not

3229
02:15:30,419 --> 02:15:27,030
even when you look at the literature

3230
02:15:32,129 --> 02:15:30,429
only coming up websites of the cases

3231
02:15:34,219 --> 02:15:32,139
you'll not even see it listed although

3232
02:15:38,279 --> 02:15:34,229
it was the best documented police

3233
02:15:40,679 --> 02:15:38,289
sighting in history at that time now if

3234
02:15:43,109 --> 02:15:40,689
this is cookery if this is concrete is

3235
02:15:44,580 --> 02:15:43,119
contact D isn't fine now I didn't tell

3236
02:15:46,709 --> 02:15:44,590
her a couple of guys downtown at a

3237
02:15:49,290 --> 02:15:46,719
theater in Corpus Christi that convinced

3238
02:15:51,750 --> 02:15:49,300
me that they were aliens but let's keep

3239
02:15:53,669 --> 02:15:51,760
this in mind we were waiting watch very

3240
02:15:56,040 --> 02:15:53,679
closely by Jade Gore Hoover's buddies

3241
02:15:58,229 --> 02:15:56,050
they even one of them flew all the way

3242
02:16:00,830 --> 02:15:58,239
down to Peru with us the incognito later

3243
02:16:04,439 --> 02:16:00,840
they told her mother all about it but

3244
02:16:06,509 --> 02:16:04,449
they worried trying to set you up I

3245
02:16:08,009 --> 02:16:06,519
could go into the story that they would

3246
02:16:10,890 --> 02:16:08,019
go Sephora to try to kill you back in

3247
02:16:13,439 --> 02:16:10,900
those days but in this case I believed

3248
02:16:15,479 --> 02:16:13,449
that I was being rude they wanted me to

3249
02:16:19,679 --> 02:16:15,489
look like a coupe saying I hadn't met

3250
02:16:23,219 --> 02:16:19,689
aliens okay it happened again in 1956 in

3251
02:16:25,439 --> 02:16:23,229
Los Angeles but whether that guy was won

3252
02:16:27,359 --> 02:16:25,449
or not I have no idea at times I feel

3253
02:16:30,899 --> 02:16:27,369
like he was this was after I think the

3254
02:16:33,929 --> 02:16:30,909
FBI is on hold on ray one second so you

3255
02:16:36,540 --> 02:16:33,939
think the the second encounter could

3256
02:16:39,719 --> 02:16:36,550
have possibly have been a where if there

3257
02:16:42,479 --> 02:16:39,729
is such a thing as human looking aliens

3258
02:16:45,570 --> 02:16:42,489
among us this guy might well have been

3259
02:16:49,889 --> 02:16:45,580
one why do you think that I don't want

3260
02:16:51,959 --> 02:16:49,899
to get into that but I think that your

3261
02:16:53,610 --> 02:16:51,969
question then why and once you get into

3262
02:16:55,889 --> 02:16:53,620
it why do we want to get into these

3263
02:16:57,750 --> 02:16:55,899
things that are and do that.i and you

3264
02:16:59,729 --> 02:16:57,760
can't substantiate why don't we talk

3265
02:17:01,559 --> 02:16:59,739
about the substantial stuff we've gotten

3266
02:17:03,240 --> 02:17:01,569
see everybody wants to go off the track

3267
02:17:06,689 --> 02:17:03,250
and to the loosey-goosey end of things

3268
02:17:09,629 --> 02:17:06,699
and I don't I prefer to stay where we

3269
02:17:13,620 --> 02:17:09,639
have data I can confirm okay so how do I

3270
02:17:17,160 --> 02:17:13,630
get out of this contact D phase well I

3271
02:17:19,860 --> 02:17:17,170
began to realize that UFOs were not that

3272
02:17:21,240 --> 02:17:19,870
the space brothers that Adamski claimed

3273
02:17:23,219 --> 02:17:21,250
they were there were there were cases

3274
02:17:25,679 --> 02:17:23,229
that were pretty

3275
02:17:27,629 --> 02:17:25,689
for example now in idea was 61 there was

3276
02:17:30,870 --> 02:17:27,639
Gregory well and they'll sell Ohio it

3277
02:17:32,459 --> 02:17:30,880
greatly wells that was to an assistant

3278
02:17:33,839 --> 02:17:32,469
was shot with a laser being right Billy

3279
02:17:35,910 --> 02:17:33,849
a stick McConnell jacket or sweatshirt

3280
02:17:37,709 --> 02:17:35,920
the shirt and his undershirt and

3281
02:17:38,910 --> 02:17:37,719
suffered second third-degree burns her

3282
02:17:40,589 --> 02:17:38,920
first and second degree burns on his

3283
02:17:42,780 --> 02:17:40,599
shoulder well-documented

3284
02:17:46,919 --> 02:17:42,790
well witnessed there was other cases and

3285
02:17:49,879 --> 02:17:46,929
then we when we were still in the good

3286
02:17:53,280 --> 02:17:49,889
graces of damp skin and the contactees

3287
02:17:56,219 --> 02:17:53,290
we were out there and as I said a damn

3288
02:17:59,299 --> 02:17:56,229
ski took compassion on us and confessed

3289
02:18:01,530 --> 02:17:59,309
these things he told us about his

3290
02:18:04,950 --> 02:18:01,540
bootlegging operation when he had the

3291
02:18:07,980 --> 02:18:04,960
the Royal Order of Tibet and how he

3292
02:18:09,389 --> 02:18:07,990
could make one legal he said because it

3293
02:18:12,030 --> 02:18:09,399
was a religious organization for

3294
02:18:14,580 --> 02:18:12,040
comedian he said tell you boys you don't

3295
02:18:17,400 --> 02:18:14,590
give him oh I was the biggest bootlegger

3296
02:18:19,679 --> 02:18:17,410
in all of Southern California if it

3297
02:18:21,330 --> 02:18:19,689
hadn't been for that God knows about I

3298
02:18:27,750 --> 02:18:21,340
wouldn't have to get into all this sauce

3299
02:18:33,540 --> 02:18:27,760
like crap and comment on the quality of

3300
02:18:36,179 --> 02:18:33,550
your polish accent to you was all the

3301
02:18:39,000 --> 02:18:36,189
big scam was all fake did you ever

3302
02:18:40,770 --> 02:18:39,010
publish that yeah oh yes I wouldn't

3303
02:18:42,480 --> 02:18:40,780
public with it right away in fact that's

3304
02:18:44,400 --> 02:18:42,490
why I mean we get bad mouths by Carol

3305
02:18:46,830 --> 02:18:44,410
honey who was a damn skis friend that

3306
02:18:48,810 --> 02:18:46,840
publicist they book of claiming that he

3307
02:18:50,310 --> 02:18:48,820
saw space brothers with a damn ski well

3308
02:18:51,770 --> 02:18:50,320
when you read between the lines and you

3309
02:18:55,020 --> 02:18:51,780
know Carol honey like I knew Carol honey

3310
02:18:58,589 --> 02:18:55,030
you know that it's a lot of BS but

3311
02:19:00,179 --> 02:18:58,599
anyway this is why we became hated my

3312
02:19:02,099 --> 02:19:00,189
twin brother and I became the most hated

3313
02:19:04,080 --> 02:19:02,109
people in the contactee movement because

3314
02:19:07,110 --> 02:19:04,090
not only did we expose it and ski them

3315
02:19:09,000 --> 02:19:07,120
but we exposed Dan fry I mean we

3316
02:19:12,389 --> 02:19:09,010
absolutely caught him with his pants

3317
02:19:15,509 --> 02:19:12,399
down so to speak and to expose him huh

3318
02:19:18,810 --> 02:19:15,519
in what way did you expose to n fry well

3319
02:19:20,400 --> 02:19:18,820
okay we had been invited I was doing

3320
02:19:22,440 --> 02:19:20,410
this baking and rector's helped me what

3321
02:19:25,860 --> 02:19:22,450
to protect our showing some of the films

3322
02:19:27,959 --> 02:19:25,870
that we had gotten and we were speaking

3323
02:19:29,070 --> 02:19:27,969
for an understanding organization which

3324
02:19:32,009 --> 02:19:29,080
was the one that was founded by Dan

3325
02:19:34,720 --> 02:19:32,019
trying and in the course of that we were

3326
02:19:37,959 --> 02:19:34,730
staying at Danone Elmas house

3327
02:19:40,930 --> 02:19:37,969
in there outside the LA area somewhere I

3328
02:19:45,520 --> 02:19:40,940
forget the name of the place and anyway

3329
02:19:49,750 --> 02:19:45,530
the one morning while Dan was at work at

3330
02:19:52,750 --> 02:19:49,760
the laboratory that he worked for he was

3331
02:19:56,220 --> 02:19:52,760
I think electrical engineer in anyway he

3332
02:19:59,740 --> 02:19:56,230
well he was at work Elmo said you know I

3333
02:20:02,921 --> 02:19:59,750
am trouble about something she said have

3334
02:20:06,190 --> 02:20:02,931
I told you you know Dan claims he got

3335
02:20:08,140 --> 02:20:06,200
this this movie in broad daylight of a

3336
02:20:12,190 --> 02:20:08,150
spaceship when we were out at the giant

3337
02:20:15,220 --> 02:20:12,200
rock convention but she said the the

3338
02:20:17,261 --> 02:20:15,230
circumstances surrounding it bother me

3339
02:20:19,360 --> 02:20:17,271
actually what the heck she said well

3340
02:20:21,400 --> 02:20:19,370
look we're out there and he had put a

3341
02:20:22,830 --> 02:20:21,410
good-sized box in the back of the car

3342
02:20:25,240 --> 02:20:22,840
and he said don't jar this is fragile

3343
02:20:28,870 --> 02:20:25,250
Alma don't open it don't charge this

3344
02:20:31,120 --> 02:20:28,880
fragile so I didn't she say she said the

3345
02:20:32,620 --> 02:20:31,130
way out there wall and he says Alma Elma

3346
02:20:37,030 --> 02:20:32,630
I've got to go take a leak over behind

3347
02:20:39,160 --> 02:20:37,040
the hill well there was a restroom right

3348
02:20:40,570 --> 02:20:39,170
there and there it was one the

3349
02:20:42,220 --> 02:20:40,580
conference I think it was they were

3350
02:20:43,801 --> 02:20:42,230
there for two games and what are they

3351
02:20:47,980 --> 02:20:43,811
called him out there at a time and

3352
02:20:49,690 --> 02:20:47,990
anyway he walks off with this big box he

3353
02:20:53,440 --> 02:20:49,700
came back he didn't say a thing to Elma

3354
02:20:57,460 --> 02:20:53,450
that he was even back and over a week

3355
02:20:58,900 --> 02:20:57,470
later he brought in a movie film and he

3356
02:21:00,761 --> 02:20:58,910
put it on the thing and Ella said what's

3357
02:21:02,591 --> 02:21:00,771
what's that lose him you saw you know

3358
02:21:03,761 --> 02:21:02,601
what I've told you went behind the hill

3359
02:21:06,160 --> 02:21:03,771
back there to take a leak

3360
02:21:08,890 --> 02:21:06,170
he said well actually I encountered the

3361
02:21:12,100 --> 02:21:08,900
spaceship and I took a movie and she

3362
02:21:15,280 --> 02:21:12,110
said ocassion was see it he said ok he

3363
02:21:17,381 --> 02:21:15,290
said she got out the the protector and

3364
02:21:19,240 --> 02:21:17,391
you know she threaded she had always

3365
02:21:20,980 --> 02:21:19,250
done this for him you know when he was

3366
02:21:22,870 --> 02:21:20,990
showing movies anybody was showing the

3367
02:21:25,990 --> 02:21:22,880
receipt said for understanding people

3368
02:21:28,511 --> 02:21:26,000
and she she set this up and started

3369
02:21:30,011 --> 02:21:28,521
running it at normal speed hey wait a

3370
02:21:31,301 --> 02:21:30,021
minute you can't run this this would

3371
02:21:33,070 --> 02:21:31,311
damage to the film if you run it in

3372
02:21:36,341 --> 02:21:33,080
normal speed run this at the fastest

3373
02:21:40,570 --> 02:21:36,351
speed it will go you want to damage the

3374
02:21:42,820 --> 02:21:40,580
film and normally it'll damage the film

3375
02:21:44,740 --> 02:21:42,830
right ok

3376
02:21:47,020 --> 02:21:44,750
on me okay so what happened yeah when

3377
02:21:49,600 --> 02:21:47,030
you learn it faster why does that make a

3378
02:21:50,830 --> 02:21:49,610
difference if this makes the difference

3379
02:21:52,810 --> 02:21:50,840
what I want to tell you the rest of this

3380
02:21:53,530 --> 02:21:52,820
story first I'll tell you before I let

3381
02:21:54,910 --> 02:21:53,540
you do that

3382
02:21:56,980 --> 02:21:54,920
because we have one more segment of the

3383
02:21:58,960 --> 02:21:56,990
power cast to go and I want to get into

3384
02:22:01,750 --> 02:21:58,970
details about this film why it's running

3385
02:22:09,790 --> 02:22:01,760
fast motion revs and slow motion and

3386
02:22:12,190 --> 02:22:09,800
maybe yes we we got a great great yeah

3387
02:22:14,380 --> 02:22:12,200
you gotta break well I tell on listeners

3388
02:22:15,580 --> 02:22:14,390
we're talking to race Stanford we're

3389
02:22:19,390 --> 02:22:15,590
going back through time when he was a

3390
02:22:20,801 --> 02:22:19,400
teenager when you know he was friendly

3391
02:22:22,440 --> 02:22:20,811
or unfriendly terms with some of the

3392
02:22:26,410 --> 02:22:22,450
famous contact he's like George Adamski

3393
02:22:28,660 --> 02:22:26,420
dan Frye and others the co-host is Chris

3394
02:22:30,460 --> 02:22:28,670
O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg you're in the

3395
02:22:36,130 --> 02:22:30,470
para cast

3396
02:22:42,950 --> 02:22:39,551
[Music]

3397
02:22:45,650 --> 02:22:42,960
Ray Perkins a reclusive veteran burned

3398
02:22:47,920 --> 02:22:45,660
out from the Gulf War lives tortured by

3399
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3401
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3402
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3403
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3404
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3461
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3462
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3501
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3502
02:26:37,579 --> 02:26:35,279
that's two zero eight seven seven two

3503
02:26:41,179 --> 02:26:37,589
four five one four be a part of the

3504
02:26:43,511 --> 02:26:41,189
revolution today how do you spell

3505
02:26:47,980 --> 02:26:43,521
hard-hitting talk radio

3506
02:27:04,780 --> 02:26:47,990
see the genesis communications radio

3507
02:27:07,540 --> 02:27:04,790
network you never know we have another

3508
02:27:09,970 --> 02:27:07,550
session to spend with ray Stanford UFO

3509
02:27:11,530 --> 02:27:09,980
investigator of long-standing Chris

3510
02:27:13,990 --> 02:27:11,540
O'Brien's the co-host I'm gene

3511
02:27:16,450 --> 02:27:14,000
Steinberger in the para cast and now

3512
02:27:19,930 --> 02:27:16,460
we're going to talk about this film that

3513
02:27:21,850 --> 02:27:19,940
you had a run and fast motion why right

3514
02:27:23,410 --> 02:27:21,860
well I'll tell you why see we ran into

3515
02:27:25,631 --> 02:27:23,420
this law of motion as we could go and

3516
02:27:27,881 --> 02:27:25,641
stop frame there with Dan not being

3517
02:27:31,180 --> 02:27:27,891
there with his wife Alma and sure enough

3518
02:27:33,580 --> 02:27:31,190
you come to this place and the model was

3519
02:27:35,890 --> 02:27:33,590
being suspended by a wire at then little

3520
02:27:38,860 --> 02:27:35,900
air or it could have been a nylon

3521
02:27:41,560 --> 02:27:38,870
filament you know like fission what

3522
02:27:44,801 --> 02:27:41,570
every call was I don't fish but it

3523
02:27:48,220 --> 02:27:44,811
slipped from his hand and the model is

3524
02:27:50,051 --> 02:27:48,230
falling down and he grabs it and he when

3525
02:27:52,870 --> 02:27:50,061
he moves his hand over to grab it it

3526
02:27:55,060 --> 02:27:52,880
tells the filament or wire where you see

3527
02:27:57,910 --> 02:27:55,070
the reflection of the entire thing by

3528
02:27:59,320 --> 02:27:57,920
the Sun and he Yanks it up and then it's

3529
02:28:00,640 --> 02:27:59,330
stable and now the whole time it has a

3530
02:28:02,620 --> 02:28:00,650
certain pin of the motion thing on the

3531
02:28:03,910 --> 02:28:02,630
end of this wire that can be calculated

3532
02:28:07,060 --> 02:28:03,920
in and of itself to show that it's a

3533
02:28:09,100 --> 02:28:07,070
small model but the wire it's obvious

3534
02:28:10,990 --> 02:28:09,110
that it is slipped out of his sweaty

3535
02:28:14,080 --> 02:28:11,000
hand out there in the desert and he just

3536
02:28:15,820 --> 02:28:14,090
had to grab it and yank it and get it

3537
02:28:17,801 --> 02:28:15,830
out of weather where the wire was not

3538
02:28:19,540 --> 02:28:17,811
showing and when we show I mean it's so

3539
02:28:22,390 --> 02:28:19,550
obvious so that night there was the

3540
02:28:24,370 --> 02:28:22,400
meeting in which I was the speaker and I

3541
02:28:28,540 --> 02:28:24,380
showed a movie film that I'd done on

3542
02:28:29,890 --> 02:28:28,550
September 18 1956 and I said now I know

3543
02:28:32,470 --> 02:28:29,900
that all of you have heard about this

3544
02:28:35,801 --> 02:28:32,480
wonderful interesting film that then got

3545
02:28:38,200 --> 02:28:35,811
out at the spacecraft convention and so

3546
02:28:41,110 --> 02:28:38,210
we put it on and I have Rex running to

3547
02:28:43,870 --> 02:28:41,120
the projector and I looked over at him

3548
02:28:47,591 --> 02:28:43,880
at his book table and beads of sweat are

3549
02:28:49,091 --> 02:28:47,601
coming up all over his voice Rick starts

3550
02:28:52,030 --> 02:28:49,101
this thing running honey he literally

3551
02:28:55,180 --> 02:28:52,040
lit left over the table a police-style

3552
02:28:56,711 --> 02:28:55,190
ran over and grabbed thing is it destroy

3553
02:28:57,130 --> 02:28:56,721
the Pampas you've got to run it I can

3554
02:29:00,790 --> 02:28:57,140
receive

3555
02:29:02,080 --> 02:29:00,800
and I put my hand I jumped down and put

3556
02:29:03,130 --> 02:29:02,090
my hand over I'm here I said damn now

3557
02:29:05,050 --> 02:29:03,140
just relax

3558
02:29:06,069 --> 02:29:05,060
I've been running these things probably

3559
02:29:08,679 --> 02:29:06,079
longer than you have

3560
02:29:10,059 --> 02:29:08,689
it's dangerous to the film it to run it

3561
02:29:12,040 --> 02:29:10,069
at that kind of speed you can get out of

3562
02:29:15,909 --> 02:29:12,050
sprocket and just tear the emulsion up

3563
02:29:17,710 --> 02:29:15,919
and the backing and don't worry we're

3564
02:29:19,330 --> 02:29:17,720
gonna and hold man he looked like he was

3565
02:29:20,800 --> 02:29:19,340
gonna pass out I just said that I insist

3566
02:29:22,599 --> 02:29:20,810
on during this slow speed so people can

3567
02:29:24,279 --> 02:29:22,609
see this whole thing you know they're

3568
02:29:25,659 --> 02:29:24,289
gonna be suspicious they're gonna be

3569
02:29:26,859 --> 02:29:25,669
suspicious if you wanted run at high

3570
02:29:30,550 --> 02:29:26,869
speed that you might be hiding something

3571
02:29:33,279 --> 02:29:30,560
and we ran it and there was a nice

3572
02:29:35,769 --> 02:29:33,289
couple there whose names I still retain

3573
02:29:38,109 --> 02:29:35,779
that had been very faithful in making

3574
02:29:39,969 --> 02:29:38,119
contributions to understanding and I was

3575
02:29:41,979 --> 02:29:39,979
standing by the book table when they

3576
02:29:43,960 --> 02:29:41,989
passed leaving with then and Helmut

3577
02:29:46,840 --> 02:29:43,970
standing behind the table and he said

3578
02:29:49,659 --> 02:29:46,850
Harry said Dan you know if I didn't know

3579
02:29:52,389 --> 02:29:49,669
you so well I would swear that that was

3580
02:29:54,550 --> 02:29:52,399
a wire model with tissue paper sides and

3581
02:29:55,809 --> 02:29:54,560
that why are you headed as to slipped

3582
02:29:57,159 --> 02:29:55,819
out of your hand and caught the semi for

3583
02:29:58,330 --> 02:29:57,169
a minute and you grabbed it and that you

3584
02:29:59,469 --> 02:29:58,340
were trying to hide it from the spy boy

3585
02:30:01,989 --> 02:29:59,479
need to be run so fast

3586
02:30:03,429 --> 02:30:01,999
the handsome Santa jerk his shoulders

3587
02:30:04,989 --> 02:30:03,439
when he started lying his shoulders

3588
02:30:06,939 --> 02:30:04,999
would would jerk up at high speed and

3589
02:30:09,909 --> 02:30:06,949
drop back down durka began to church so

3590
02:30:11,559 --> 02:30:09,919
Jesus well it's like I said great Turay

3591
02:30:12,909 --> 02:30:11,569
I don't know what's I just thought

3592
02:30:14,559 --> 02:30:12,919
people what they did could have been as

3593
02:30:16,389 --> 02:30:14,569
small as a few inches across it could

3594
02:30:18,550 --> 02:30:16,399
have been huge I have no idea of the

3595
02:30:21,670 --> 02:30:18,560
distance he has binocular vision after

3596
02:30:25,239 --> 02:30:21,680
all and so they went on they went away

3597
02:30:26,979 --> 02:30:25,249
but Elma she told us about other

3598
02:30:29,380 --> 02:30:26,989
instances in which similar things had

3599
02:30:31,149 --> 02:30:29,390
happened they were they were at darcel

3600
02:30:33,639 --> 02:30:31,159
of X house in the high desert and

3601
02:30:35,949 --> 02:30:33,649
they're all doing business the social

3602
02:30:38,500 --> 02:30:35,959
visit and then it also brought a box he

3603
02:30:39,939 --> 02:30:38,510
told her not to get into well he said he

3604
02:30:42,369 --> 02:30:39,949
had to go outside he wanted to just roam

3605
02:30:44,769 --> 02:30:42,379
around outside so they're visiting and

3606
02:30:46,659 --> 02:30:44,779
he goes outside he comes back in after a

3607
02:30:48,609 --> 02:30:46,669
while doesn't say anything after a while

3608
02:30:51,130 --> 02:30:48,619
three days later here's this packet of

3609
02:30:52,630 --> 02:30:51,140
photos processed still photos on the

3610
02:30:54,929 --> 02:30:52,640
table that he laid down when he comes

3611
02:30:58,689 --> 02:30:54,939
home from from Crescent Engineering and

3612
02:30:59,859 --> 02:30:58,699
so Allah says what's this oh I forgot to

3613
02:31:01,809 --> 02:30:59,869
tell you when I was out there the other

3614
02:31:04,210 --> 02:31:01,819
night when you and arson the rails it

3615
02:31:07,750 --> 02:31:04,220
was we're inside I saw a spaceship and

3616
02:31:10,410 --> 02:31:07,760
got some pictures and are beginning to

3617
02:31:12,630 --> 02:31:10,420
see a pattern here ray yeah

3618
02:31:14,550 --> 02:31:12,640
these were I mean all he had cut was a

3619
02:31:16,890 --> 02:31:14,560
crude outline of a dome disk and put a

3620
02:31:19,650 --> 02:31:16,900
light behind it it was so carny but

3621
02:31:21,990 --> 02:31:19,660
there was he did worse than even billy

3622
02:31:24,360 --> 02:31:22,000
meier billy meier had the wedding cake

3623
02:31:27,929 --> 02:31:24,370
photos but dan fry couldn't even manage

3624
02:31:29,550 --> 02:31:27,939
that that's right he was a much poorer

3625
02:31:31,530 --> 02:31:29,560
faker than Billy ever admirer

3626
02:31:33,060 --> 02:31:31,540
unless you're good photos and see this

3627
02:31:36,240 --> 02:31:33,070
puts into the probability of admirers

3628
02:31:38,880 --> 02:31:36,250
immediately but yes he was he was not

3629
02:31:40,320 --> 02:31:38,890
very good and you could see and several

3630
02:31:42,750 --> 02:31:40,330
people come in to me afterwards you

3631
02:31:44,610 --> 02:31:42,760
could see the tissue paper vibrating up

3632
02:31:46,530 --> 02:31:44,620
and down in the desert when glued to the

3633
02:31:48,870 --> 02:31:46,540
metal little didn't metal framework they

3634
02:31:50,910 --> 02:31:48,880
had it supported on to make the UFO but

3635
02:31:53,630 --> 02:31:50,920
the evidence was even thinner than

3636
02:32:00,719 --> 02:31:56,610
I love the Ivory soap and the feathers

3637
02:32:02,940 --> 02:32:00,729
story - that's a good one that's a very

3638
02:32:08,550 --> 02:32:02,950
good one yes oh I don't suppose you want

3639
02:32:10,260 --> 02:32:08,560
to go into that one but about five

3640
02:32:13,290 --> 02:32:10,270
minutes left we just can't go into very

3641
02:32:16,290 --> 02:32:13,300
much more okay is there anything you'd

3642
02:32:18,030 --> 02:32:16,300
like to begin - what are you working on

3643
02:32:20,090 --> 02:32:18,040
right now ray you mentioned that you're

3644
02:32:22,110 --> 02:32:20,100
working on this very very intense

3645
02:32:23,400 --> 02:32:22,120
slideshow presentation once you give us

3646
02:32:25,620 --> 02:32:23,410
a quick thumbnail above what this

3647
02:32:27,960 --> 02:32:25,630
presentation is okay it's it's a

3648
02:32:29,880 --> 02:32:27,970
PowerPoint slide presentation it's

3649
02:32:35,250 --> 02:32:29,890
comprised of at the present time up over

3650
02:32:37,890 --> 02:32:35,260
600 slides and it includes wonderful

3651
02:32:40,350 --> 02:32:37,900
evidences including for example frame

3652
02:32:42,600 --> 02:32:40,360
series from movie in which you actually

3653
02:32:44,520 --> 02:32:42,610
see a mothership that had smaller ib's

3654
02:32:46,380 --> 02:32:44,530
connected with it they like film you

3655
02:32:48,120 --> 02:32:46,390
actually see the horizon of the

3656
02:32:49,620 --> 02:32:48,130
background horizon the backlighting from

3657
02:32:51,900 --> 02:32:49,630
that horizon that passes through the

3658
02:32:55,020 --> 02:32:51,910
field of the mothership you actually see

3659
02:32:57,240 --> 02:32:55,030
the gravitational lensing are the

3660
02:32:59,460 --> 02:32:57,250
equivalent thereof and you actually see

3661
02:33:01,650 --> 02:32:59,470
the the mountain down below it just at

3662
02:33:03,570 --> 02:33:01,660
54 frames a second at which I was

3663
02:33:05,429 --> 02:33:03,580
filming in five frames it completely

3664
02:33:07,469 --> 02:33:05,439
collapses flatter than a pancake and

3665
02:33:09,300 --> 02:33:07,479
then in 15 frames it comes back up it

3666
02:33:11,520 --> 02:33:09,310
doesn't do this just once it does this

3667
02:33:13,830 --> 02:33:11,530
again and again and again throughout the

3668
02:33:15,210 --> 02:33:13,840
film but as you go radially outside the

3669
02:33:17,520 --> 02:33:15,220
further you get the less it warps the

3670
02:33:19,590 --> 02:33:17,530
mountains in in fact it actually causes

3671
02:33:23,040 --> 02:33:19,600
the mountains further up to rise up and

3672
02:33:24,270 --> 02:33:23,050
become taller than they were at the

3673
02:33:25,921 --> 02:33:24,280
beginning of the cycle I'm just

3674
02:33:28,711 --> 02:33:25,931
I think while the the one the mill is

3675
02:33:31,440 --> 02:33:28,721
getting shorter also the intensity of

3676
02:33:33,060 --> 02:33:31,450
light I do a analysis on the computer of

3677
02:33:36,180 --> 02:33:33,070
the intensity of light across the screen

3678
02:33:38,910 --> 02:33:36,190
and you see that when it is collapsing

3679
02:33:41,881 --> 02:33:38,920
this mountain the light becomes how it

3680
02:33:44,190 --> 02:33:41,891
becomes spread and focus alternately the

3681
02:33:45,751 --> 02:33:44,200
end you know where we're measuring and

3682
02:33:48,631 --> 02:33:45,761
color-coding the intensity across the

3683
02:33:50,280 --> 02:33:48,641
screen and you'll actually see the light

3684
02:33:51,330 --> 02:33:50,290
as if you're focusing the backlighting

3685
02:33:53,011 --> 02:33:51,340
you're going to have that you're going

3686
02:33:55,140 --> 02:33:53,021
to have it spread out further when it's

3687
02:33:56,280 --> 02:33:55,150
things are collapsing underneath it and

3688
02:33:57,751 --> 02:33:56,290
there's going to get in there and there

3689
02:33:59,220 --> 02:33:57,761
and get brighter in the middle but when

3690
02:34:02,070 --> 02:33:59,230
it draw together these things can come

3691
02:34:04,200 --> 02:34:02,080
back up and that's exactly what you have

3692
02:34:05,881 --> 02:34:04,210
coming ask your fast question here this

3693
02:34:08,430 --> 02:34:05,891
is a presentation you're doing in

3694
02:34:11,461 --> 02:34:08,440
PowerPoint right that's right okay

3695
02:34:13,830 --> 02:34:11,471
are you able to create a copy of this

3696
02:34:16,080 --> 02:34:13,840
presentation that we can post on the

3697
02:34:18,060 --> 02:34:16,090
power cast forms when it's no way this

3698
02:34:21,270 --> 02:34:18,070
kind of stuff is for scientists it's to

3699
02:34:22,711 --> 02:34:21,280
be published in refereed publications if

3700
02:34:24,751 --> 02:34:22,721
we can get it in there and I believe

3701
02:34:27,810 --> 02:34:24,761
that we can this is why I want to get T

3702
02:34:29,520 --> 02:34:27,820
people in with me when I started my

3703
02:34:30,001 --> 02:34:29,530
research in dinosaurs I mean I'm a

3704
02:34:32,730 --> 02:34:30,011
nobody

3705
02:34:36,631 --> 02:34:32,740
but because I had good enough evidence

3706
02:34:38,730 --> 02:34:36,641
of very important tracks that I got the

3707
02:34:40,890 --> 02:34:38,740
professor's to work with me and help me

3708
02:34:44,100 --> 02:34:40,900
in preparing the scientific papers then

3709
02:34:46,290 --> 02:34:44,110
you get into mainstream refereed

3710
02:34:48,330 --> 02:34:46,300
publications and I believe that I can

3711
02:34:50,461 --> 02:34:48,340
certainly do this with this UFO evidence

3712
02:34:54,330 --> 02:34:50,471
well the time is not to put it out on

3713
02:34:56,280 --> 02:34:54,340
websites or YouTube as the movies or

3714
02:34:59,160 --> 02:34:56,290
anything like that the time is to deal

3715
02:35:02,251 --> 02:34:59,170
with scientists I'm not anxious I'm not

3716
02:35:04,530 --> 02:35:02,261
no offense to fair cast but I am NOT

3717
02:35:06,930 --> 02:35:04,540
interested so much in being an

3718
02:35:08,220 --> 02:35:06,940
entertainer as an informer now when you

3719
02:35:10,530 --> 02:35:08,230
think you have this finish this

3720
02:35:12,660 --> 02:35:10,540
presentation probably never be finished

3721
02:35:14,730 --> 02:35:12,670
there's so much data but it will be at

3722
02:35:17,310 --> 02:35:14,740
the time when I get the right scientists

3723
02:35:19,740 --> 02:35:17,320
working with me that we can publish this

3724
02:35:22,740 --> 02:35:19,750
and I so so how were you could present

3725
02:35:24,930 --> 02:35:22,750
it yes I believe that I have evidence

3726
02:35:26,610 --> 02:35:24,940
that would to be accepted in nature for

3727
02:35:28,320 --> 02:35:26,620
example let me ask you a fast question

3728
02:35:30,751 --> 02:35:28,330
ray because we're just wrapping this up

3729
02:35:32,730 --> 02:35:30,761
is there any place where our listeners

3730
02:35:35,280 --> 02:35:32,740
can check out your work or contact you

3731
02:35:36,970 --> 02:35:35,290
if they have information to present to

3732
02:35:39,610 --> 02:35:36,980
you about something I

3733
02:35:43,511 --> 02:35:39,620
would generally prefer not to be to be

3734
02:35:45,371 --> 02:35:43,521
contacted because yet okay I mean I've

3735
02:35:47,081 --> 02:35:45,381
had people have got my email address and

3736
02:35:48,490 --> 02:35:47,091
then they send you think effort that's

3737
02:35:49,720 --> 02:35:48,500
trying to get you to fall apart and

3738
02:35:51,671 --> 02:35:49,730
they'll expose us being incompetent

3739
02:35:53,980 --> 02:35:51,681
scientifically I just don't want to

3740
02:35:56,831 --> 02:35:53,990
waste my time with people sending me bad

3741
02:35:59,201 --> 02:35:56,841
information and if they've got good

3742
02:36:01,060 --> 02:35:59,211
information they should describe right

3743
02:36:02,860 --> 02:36:01,070
to somebody like the Eucharist that that

3744
02:36:05,171 --> 02:36:02,870
is known to me if you have time to

3745
02:36:06,940 --> 02:36:05,181
listen and if it sounds where well then

3746
02:36:08,640 --> 02:36:06,950
I might take a look at it but okay so

3747
02:36:11,201 --> 02:36:08,650
that case here we get the information

3748
02:36:12,671 --> 02:36:11,211
we'll just forward it on the Chris to

3749
02:36:15,011 --> 02:36:12,681
look at first and it looks interesting

3750
02:36:16,150 --> 02:36:15,021
he'll send it to you Chris O'Brien where

3751
02:36:18,430 --> 02:36:16,160
do we find more of the things that

3752
02:36:20,530 --> 02:36:18,440
you're working on well I do have a

3753
02:36:22,661 --> 02:36:20,540
website that's called our strange planet

3754
02:36:24,881 --> 02:36:22,671
that's oh you are strange planet we do

3755
02:36:27,400 --> 02:36:24,891
live on a strange planet and it's our

3756
02:36:28,961 --> 02:36:27,410
strange planet calm of course my latest

3757
02:36:31,060 --> 02:36:28,971
book is stalking the tricksters which

3758
02:36:33,220 --> 02:36:31,070
tries to look at these wonderful

3759
02:36:36,961 --> 02:36:33,230
mysteries in a new and different way and

3760
02:36:39,820 --> 02:36:36,971
of course I'm at the pear cast forum

3761
02:36:41,110 --> 02:36:39,830
last couple of days before taping here

3762
02:36:42,911 --> 02:36:41,120
have been pretty hot and heavy on that

3763
02:36:45,100 --> 02:36:42,921
forum but that's where you can find me

3764
02:36:48,360 --> 02:36:45,110
ray Stanford thanks for joining us this

3765
02:36:56,490 --> 02:36:48,370
week on the power cast thanks ray

3766
02:37:00,280 --> 02:36:58,900
the pair caste is a calculated

3767
02:37:02,980 --> 02:37:00,290
presentation of making the impossible

3768
02:37:05,890 --> 02:37:02,990
incorporated tune in next week for a new